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  •  "compete" how? (1+ / 0-)
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    The licenced dealers do not, by and large, make a practice of intentionally selling to criminals and bootleggers, so the two markets really don't collide much.

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    by PavePusher on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 08:43:23 PM PST

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    •  Compete for legal buyers who can pass a (0+ / 0-)

      background check.

      Currently, under the private party sales exemption, dealers have to compete with "unlicensed dealers" who have none of the expenses that an FFL has to cover as part of their overhead.

      A significant fraction of the private party sales at gun shows are in effect unlicensed dealers, and a significant fraction aren't doing background checks even when they know the buyer is a straw buyer, or that the buyer can't pass a background check.

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      by LilithGardener on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 08:51:23 PM PST

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      •  Would love to see some verifiable stats.... (0+ / 0-)

        that support your assertions.

        And if they are in a state that doesn't require a check, they can't actually do a check.  So that insinuation is quite false.

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        by PavePusher on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 09:57:30 AM PST

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        •  You can search my comments if you like (0+ / 0-)

          I don't have time today to get into it right now.

          If you have contrary stats and post them, I'll take a look.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 10:35:12 AM PST

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    •  NY state is doing this - to hold gun show (0+ / 0-)

      operators accountable for reasonable provisions that ensure lawful practices at their venues.

      The Model Procedures require operators to do the following, and will be in place at the January 26-27th gun show at the Empire State Plaza Convention Center:

      ·       Post conspicuous signs throughout the shows, and give written notice to all dealers that New York State law requires that a National Instant Criminal Background Check be completed before the transfer of a gun at a gun show, including on the grounds of the show.

      ·       Require that all guns brought into the gun show by private sellers are tagged so that, upon exiting, the operator can determine if the guns were sold and a NICS was performed.

      ·       Provide access to a dealer who is authorized to conduct a NICS at cost.

      ·       Limit the number of access doors at the show so that sellers and buyers have to enter and exit through an area where the NICS procedures can be monitored.

      ·       Use reasonable means to prevent illegal gun sales outside of the building, including the parking lot.

      ·       Alert local law enforcement that a show will be held in their area, request periodic patrols in the parking lots to deter illegal sales, and call them if illegal sales are observed or suspected.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 08:55:58 PM PST

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