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  •  A little late for the Obama haters (4+ / 0-)
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    MrAnon, Sybil Liberty, second gen, FG

    and this place has many who lined up to support Paul and trash the President. It would have been nice if they had waited for a clarification before helping the Tea and the Republican party.

    Or for that matter..HR'ing someone who asked questions of them.

    Assholes are assholes. Whether from the right or left.

    ...the GOP seems perfectly willing to hold their breath until the whole country turns Blue.

    by tommy2tone on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 11:35:53 AM PST

    •  Two years of asking for information. (7+ / 0-)

      2 years of submitting questions to the administration.  And only now, during this confirmation process -- the confirmation of the Daddy of the Drone Program to head the CIA, does the administration

      A) Even formally acknowledge publicly that such a program exists

      B) after a leaked White Paper outlining the legal justifications for the power to target and kill US citizens accused but not charged of any crime on the authority of the president, does the administration agree to share SELECTED OLC legal rationales with the Senate Intelligence Committee -- and ONLY the members of the committee, not their legal staffs.

      C)  Rand Paul isn't the ONLY senator who has been making hay about it.  The ACLU and  Sen. Wyden, a frigging member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, have also complained about how their requests for information has been either ignored or rebuffed by the administration.

      Two years it took.

      •  a better question (may have been asked already) (2+ / 0-)
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        would be: under what conditions does the Administration believe a drone strike could be used on American soil?

        If the answer above has been two years in the making, I have to believe that my question has already been asked, and the "nibble around the edges" questions have come in response to the administration's stonewalling. I'd still like my question answered, though.

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        by Turbonerd on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 12:10:42 PM PST

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        •  Didn't Holder already answer that? (0+ / 0-)

          With, like, you know, the very 'effing answer everyone found so lacking just yesterday?

          This game of Calvinball is never going to end, is it?

          "Every now & then your brain gifts you with the thought, 'oh, that's right, I don't actually give a **** about this.' Treasure it" -- jbou

          by kenlac on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 12:16:29 PM PST

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        •  I don't see a good answer to your question (2+ / 0-)
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          In the sense that I think the actual answer is "when faced with an emergency situation where existing procedures and processes seem infeasible."  If the policy is that drone strikes will never be standard operating procedure, but they are reserved as an option on the table when there is no SOP, is there a way to convey that in a manner that would make you feel like your question has been answered?

          •  Well, given Holder's unequivocal 'No'... (0+ / 0-)

            ...which came after his qualified 'Yes', as you have paraphrased in your comment, the confusion is understandable.

            And since it has only been a few weeks since Michael Isikoff's scoop regarding the leaked White Paper which addressed certain OLC legal opinions creating the legal framework behind the Drone Program and Kill List that the administration has even admitted that such programs exists -- after 2 years of unanswered requests from multiple congresspeople and civil liberties groups -- a little confusion is understandable.

            Let's not pretend that Eric Holder has put this issue to rest.  There are still many issues surrounding these programs and the incremental chipping away of our Civil Liberties.

    •  I still love (4+ / 0-)
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      how anyone who questions anything that Obama says or does must be an Obama hater. And here I thought only Republicans demand everyone to march in lock step.

      "The next time everyone will pay for it equally, and there won't be any more Chosen Nations, or any Others. Poor bastards all." ~The Boomer Bible

      by just another vet on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 12:11:45 PM PST

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      •  Glad you see only one side (1+ / 0-)
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        I questioned a post about Dems supporting a nut job like Paul while questioning the president...and...guess what? I was HR'ed..

        How does that figure in your comments just another vet? Supporting Paul and not one HR..Question supporting Rand Paul and an HR.

        I actually thought this place was to support you doubt Kos as well?

        ...the GOP seems perfectly willing to hold their breath until the whole country turns Blue.

        by tommy2tone on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 04:12:57 PM PST

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        •  I apologize (0+ / 0-)

          for not catching on to the HR part. Seems I was a little quick to respond yesterday. Tend to get testy about the Obama hater line. Who ever HR'd you was wrong to do so and should apologize as well.

          I am not trying to offer support for Rand Paul. He is an asshat to put it nicely. And of course we are here to elect more and better Democrats. As for Kos, well, he doesn't need me to care one way or the other what he says or does.

          We are all on the same team here. At least that's how I see it. Even when we disagree. So again I apologize for getting snippy. It was uncalled for.

          "The next time everyone will pay for it equally, and there won't be any more Chosen Nations, or any Others. Poor bastards all." ~The Boomer Bible

          by just another vet on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:29:53 AM PST

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    •  I think you've got the order wrong (0+ / 0-)

      Prime directive - trash the President
      Method du jour - cheering Rand Paul.

      The first doesn't change, the second is subject to the prevailing currents of the day.

      "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

      by Catte Nappe on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 02:03:27 PM PST

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