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  •  Fortunately, most of us will soon be dead, (6+ / 0-)

    the Kochs probably sooner rather than later, since they are already well into their seventies, and our descendants will consider whatever environment they are born into to be normal.
    That is not to say that we should continue pumping carbon from the earth's crust into the air we breathe because carbon is not good for human lungs and brains. We know that because it's what we exhale with every breath.
    That plants like to take in carbon doesn't help because humans are not plants. However, that little bit of truth might be persuasive with humans of little brain who can't understand why a natural component of the air around them is supposed to be bad.
    I'm not sure why the verbiage that has been chosen to alert mankind to a problem is as it is. "Climate change" is amorphous; so is "global warming." Some people have no idea what a globe is and "warm" is a pleasant condition.
    People got what soot was and agreed to call a halt to it being spewed out of chimneys and tail pipes. Why is identifying carbon harder?
    What's the matter with imposing penalties on carbon emissions? What's the matter with shutting down industries that emit carbon?

    Why do we prefer to ameliorate effects, putting band aids on wounds, rather than shutting down the cause?  Is it because we can actually do that and failure is more enduring? So that's what our insecure bretheren in the conservative movement prefer?

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 04:18:05 AM PST

    •  I'll bet (6+ / 0-)

      The Kochs are funding research to transplant their brains into healthy young bodies.

      "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

      by Steven D on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 05:15:59 AM PST

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      •  LOL (4+ / 0-)

        David seems to be a slow bloomer. It didn't hit him until he turned fifty that he might want to leave an heir.  So, he married and got himself one.
        Charles thought ahead earlier.
        Personally, I think the brothers are figureheads and that fellow Fink in Virginia manages everything for them. Some of their decisions are pretty boneheaded -- like buying up Dupont and all their patents and not realizing that the people who sold the patents could develop new and better stuff with the proceeds. The Koch's sued to stop invention and lost.  

        They also bought up a whole lot of minerals that were supposed to produce "clean energy" when combined with coal and then the energy giants turned to natural gas and left them holding the bag. So, they are not happy campers.

        Yes, they are worth $3 billion.  But, in the context of our having shipped $8 billion in cash to Iraq on pallets in cargo planes, that's not really impressive. We've paid out $60 billion to reconstruct Iraq and nothing is completely built out. The people who take pictures for Google Earth have obviously been deterred from taking pictures because their images of Iraq are still from 2003. Money is a relative measure. For people who don't know how to use it, it does no good. How much did the Kochs waste on candidates for public office?

        We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:07:49 AM PST

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    •  I take exception to the "fortunately" part (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm in no hurry to be dead either sooner or later and don't consider death to be a fortunate occurrence (generally speaking).

      Otherwise, spot on hannah!

      You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help. --Calvin & Hobbes

      by tigerdog on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 11:25:28 AM PST

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    •  CO2 is invisible (0+ / 0-)

      It's easy to ignore it's existence, especially if you deny science.

      There's a similar problem with radon. Even though it's estimated that radon causes more lung cancer deaths than second-hand smoke. Smoke is visible (and annoying). We have smoking bans in public places, but little action on requiring radon testing and mitigation.

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