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  •  I've never understood progressive affection... (11+ / 0-)

    ...for Clinton.  My fellow progressives will have to explain it to me.  Is it only because he won re-election?  I'm lukewarm about the guy at most, principally because:
    -he signed DOMA into law
    -he's a Third Way/DLC guy
    -he repealed Glass-Steagall
    -he supported and enacted NAFTA
    -his administration mishandled Somalia

    And that's just for starters.  He's not a batshit rightwing nut, so he's not all bad....but damn...just those five things...gah.

    Tell me what to write. 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

    by rbird on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 05:47:40 AM PST

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    •  Yep, I used to be a Clinton Fan.... (3+ / 0-)
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    •  And to me, at least, a biggie were those (3+ / 0-)
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      600,000 Iraqi kids his sanctions killed.

      But maybe I shouldn't be too harsh on him for that, considering that that "was worth the price" according to his SoS.

    •  Good list. (4+ / 0-)
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      And given the "guilt by association", Hillary Clinton is going to have to speak against these things to gain a lot of progressive support.

      Don't worry, I will NOT vote Green (that is idiocy until this movement really gets critical mass locally and at the state level).

      That recent chart by Markos  clearly indicates our opponents. Damn corporate-persons and bible thumpers, that's all I can say.

      Ugh. --UB.

      "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

      by unclebucky on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 05:56:40 AM PST

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    •  Exactly, rbird. (3+ / 0-)
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      How many times will we have to hear another "nobody-could-have-predicted" apology from that man?

    •  He was not perfect, but it's not fair to blame (4+ / 0-)
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      him (solely) for DOMA, NAFTA and the GS repeal, which are legislative matters.  He did give the country 8 years of "peace and prosperity" (not absolute, of course, but sounder than Reagan's) and in spite of being the target of the original Derangement Syndrome patients, he stood his ground. He showed how the country fares better in Democrats' hands than Republicans'.  His popularity is not unjustified.

      If the Democratic party had 10% of the cohesiveness of the Republican party, we wouldn't have seen Feinstein and Lieberman (among many others) attacking Clinton for their own aggrandizement, and Gore would have won by a non-chaddable margin.  I blame Bush's election not on voters who voted for who they perceived as the best candidate, but on the bias of even the "liberal" media (in case you've forgotten, the NYTimes ran dozens of editions where the National section was almost entirely taken by transcripts of Republican attacks) and on lack of support among Democratic politicians.

    •  He did a lot of good too. (6+ / 0-)

      He eliminated the deficit and put us on a path to paying off the national debt, created 8 million jobs, reduced poverty more than any administration. Child mortality also went down. Teen pregnancy went down. NIH funding went up and we sequenced the human genome. He appointed probably the best FEMA director ever, who instituted a policy of helping future likely flood victims to move to higher ground, saving the country many millions of dollars and probably saved lives. Contrast that with Bush's choice. President Clinton got the Israelis and Palestinians closer to a peace deal than any other President ever has. He played a major role in getting Northern Ireland to the peace it now enjoys. He appointed the first female Secretary of State and the first female AG. I could go on and on. But that's just a few of the reasons this Democrat calls the Clinton Presidency on balance a pretty darned successful one. I might add too that Bill Clinton gave probably the best political speech of the last 50 years at the DNC, giving a massive boost to that great progressive President, Barack Obama.

      For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

      by Anne Elk on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 07:44:40 AM PST

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    •  Bill Clinton gave us George W Bush (0+ / 0-)

      Al Gore should have won in a landslide - record budget surpluses for 1st time in 50 years or so, at peace, but he lost because Bill Clinton got blowjobs in the White House from a young intern.  I know several voters who think Clinton soiled the office of the Presidency and would have voted for ANY Republican in reaction to that.  My arguments in 2000 that Bush junior was an idiot generally got reactions of "don't care; he won't soil the Oval Office like Bill Clinton".

      We can never forget that part of Bill Clinton's legacy is he elected Bush and Cheney.

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