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  •  Please correct me if I'm wrong (16+ / 0-)

    but its sounds like you're implying that this old woman somehow had it coming. She's 82, maybe she doesn't have all of her faculties, there are better ways to handle those situations.

    If it was an old racist white man I would feel the same way even if what he was saying disgusted me.  You don't slam senior citizens onto the concrete for making too much noise on a bus.

    I want to believe as a society that we're better than this, but when I read stories like this one I do wonder.

    •  I'm saying if she was asked to quiet down, and did (2+ / 0-)
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      not, then what else can be done from the crew's point of view?

      If you're asked to leave a train for being too loud, of course you're not going to voluntarily leave. You're on the train for a reason and you need to reach your final destination.

      Throwing a person on the ground is reprehensible, but I've been on a commuter rail where a passenger's luggage was literally thrown off the train at a stop by crew because she made a scene for missing her stop and caused the train to make an emergency stop.

      They make quiet cars for a reason, and it's for people being too loud.

      •  That's what most of us are saying mattc129 (9+ / 0-)

        That what this guard did was reprehensible, not that the woman or anyone else who makes too much noise should get a pass. Better training for these guards in resolving these matters would be a start.

        I was born and raised in NYC  so I know what it like to be stuck on a train with riders who are making too much noise. Its annoying and it can be stressful as well.

        If it ever got to a point where someone really bothered me, I would move to another car or I'd just crank up the walkman . I'd get off a bus if I had to, but I can't remember ever getting that upset and I had plenty of reasons over the years.

        Better that than watch some old man or woman treated this way. An 82 year old old racist man spouting off or an 82 year old woman singing gospel songs might be suffering from something like alzheimers. Unless they're clearly a threat to others they should handle the situation without getting too physical, and that's clearly what this guard is guilty of.

        I had a relative with alzhiemers who sounded like a drunken tea partier by the time he died. Never talked like that before he got sick so I know that things are not always what they seem.

        •  i wouldn't have had to get away from this lady- (1+ / 0-)
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          i used to take the T when i lived in the boston area, and i used to ride the harlem line into ny regularly before i moved to central CT. now i just do it occasionally. i rarely ride the subway alone- usually just w/ my son.

          anyway, when people would be annoying or awful, it wasn't anything like a little old lady singing. i'd move to get away from drunk people or loud groups of people. people on cell phones used to bug me but i could sit it out.

          i've had to get away from men who thought they were flirting but were just being awful and wouldn't stop. never had to move away from a little old lady.

          i remember about 17 years ago a guy on the train who was a little off. he was loudly telling us all who we were- he made a family out of everyone. you're my mom! you're my uncle! you're my grandpa! noone came to throw him off the train- he was about a million times more annoying than a little old lady singing to herself.  

          honestly, i don't even know if what that lady was doing would have been on my radar as a problem that must be handled.

          i bet that officer was rejected by law enforcement but was able to get a job w/ 50 state security. it would be interesting to see if he ever worked as a bouncer anywhere- he might have been rough on women there too.

          i so hope there's a trial.

          "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

          by thankgodforairamerica on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 11:18:46 AM PST

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      •  IF SHE WAS ASKED... (5+ / 0-)

        There is no indication she was asked, by anyone, to quiet down.
        You have simply assumed she was asked, and believing so, have condoned dragging an 82-year-old woman off a train and throwing her down onto a concrete platform.
        Suppose it was your grandmother, or great-grandmother?
        Compassion doesn't seem to be a strong suit with you.

        (and the 82-year-old white racist analogy doesn't work here, sorry.)

        Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

        by MA Liberal on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 11:05:38 AM PST

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        •  There's no indication she was not asked, as well (0+ / 0-)

          You can't play it both ways.

          •  Both arguments being equal, (1+ / 0-)
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            you still lose. If she was asked, and didn't stop, it still does not give someone carte blanche to drag her off a train and throw her onto a concrete platform.

            Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

            by MA Liberal on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 12:24:11 PM PST

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          •  whether or not she was asked, the goober in the (1+ / 0-)
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            uniform DRAGGED HER UNTIL SHE FELL! take another look at the pictures, he's got ahold of the handle of her whats-it and she's on the other side of it. is it some sort of walker?

            he's dragging and yanking on the handle, and finally manages to pull her clear off her feet. Looks like either she thinks he's trying to steal the walker, or she really can't move without it and he's going too fast for her to keep up. so he YANKS, and she falls.

            I'm amazed she was walking as easily as she was, early in the video!

            "real" work : a job where you wash your hands BEFORE you use the bathroom...

            by chimene on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 12:52:00 PM PST

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          •  You too if fortunate will be old (3+ / 0-)
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            and defensless.   It won't feel the same as you are saying on here now.  People treat you differently when you move too slow, sing or talk too loud, or don't understand......I hope your patience grows by then.

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            by Vetwife on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 12:53:40 PM PST

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        •  What accounts are you reading? (1+ / 0-)
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          mattc129

          Every one I've seen states that when she was asked to stop, she refused and continued singing, keeping rhythm by banging on her thigh. And judging from the video interviews with her, she has her faculties.

          So, who gets a pass, and who doesn't?
          Religious fanatic loudly quoting scripture?
          Drum circle?
          Hare Krishnas?
          Westboro BC?

          "Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding up both puppets!" -Bill Hicks

          by Tismo70 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 03:53:17 PM PST

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    •  No we are not better than this nt (1+ / 0-)
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