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  •  So does Obama get credit for cutting the defense (2+ / 0-)
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    budget then? Since he cut it's rate of increase (like chained CPI proposes to do to SS).

    You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

    by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 03:51:51 PM PST

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    •  I don't care what else he does (9+ / 0-)

      If he cuts Social Security benefits, I'm going to hold the entire party accountable.  I will vote on this issue.  

      It doesn't do me any good if he cuts Defense and also cuts my Social Security.   If he cuts Defense and increases my Social Security, I'll be happy to GOTV.  

      This is not a theoretical exercise for people.  It directly impacts the amount of money they will receive every month for the rest of their lives.  

      •  That's just not true (3+ / 0-)
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        It affects them until the next time we change the way SS operates, if in fact it ever gets changed at all, there's no evidence Republicans are interested in a Grand Bargain.

        President Barack Obama has greatly expanded the social safety net, if you don't get yours, I'm sorry, but for the vast majority he's going to have done a lot of good. Far more than minor temporary adjustments to SS increases ever could. Especially if his "base" gives up on him, Republicans will make less than a full SS increase seem like a dream come true.

        You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

        by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 04:12:24 PM PST

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        •  Until the next time?? HA! (4+ / 0-)

          You mean like how Clinton and Obama reversed the Reagan changes?  Oh no!  If we do not draw a line in the sand now, they'll be making changes next time all right, they'll be raising the eligibility age of both Social Security and Medicare.  

          You are calling them temporary changes.  And if enacted, that's just a lie.  The changes have increasing impact over time so it would be pointless to enact the changes as temporary measures. They are not intended to be temporary and if Obama supporters are going to lie about that, they deserve nothing but contempt.  This is a big part of the problem.  They call the changes "superlative CPI" instead of telling the truth about what that does to benefits.

          You can vote your issues.  I will vote mine.   And I don't vote for people who try to con me either.  You lose my trust on a core issue like Social Security and you may never get it back.

          •  Thank you greenbell, I'm amazed at how quickly (4+ / 0-)

            some here are willing to take a cut into SS as just another compromise or negotiating tool.  It's far more than that and Ed is a terrific supporter of not touching SS.  I just don't see how anyone who claims to be a Democrat can justify any use of SS as a negotiating too.  SS is not in danger.  Pete Peterson has spent hundreds of millions of dollars (ie Fix the Debt and his paid sycophants Simpson/Bowles/Ed Rendell etc) to make confused people believe it is a problem.

            Don't believe everything you think.

            by BrianParker14 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:03:26 PM PST

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        •  I'm sorry, but you are a dreamer. President Obama (2+ / 0-)
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          will make the grand bargain and please his advisor, Gene Sperling, and all the Repubs will be so happy.  Even the Progressive Caucus could not get all their members to sign on the letter of opposition to the cuts.  So, why are we to not expect the Grand Bargain, made in secret, that will cut our benefits with the chained CPI?  It's too much in the prevailing conversation as a given. I hear it every day that some cuts will be agreed to, and it is that CPI bargain.  One must pay attention and make calls to stop it.

    •  Uhhhh... (5+ / 0-)
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      RBinDLH, lenzy1000, corvo, marty marty, pgm 01

      when did he "cut" the defense budget? cutting planned increases have nothing to do with the meat of the DOD budget, which is massively bloated and absurd.

      is he stopping the insane F-35 program? they're all grounded due to an engine problem.

      cost thus far: over one TRILLION dollars.

      "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

      by Superpole on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 04:07:06 PM PST

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      •  That's the point (3+ / 0-)
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        He cut the rate of increase, which is what the chained CPI plans to do with SS. But nobody mistakes that with actually cutting defense spending. Yet in this comment section, a cut to a rate of increase for SS is treated as a cut.

        You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

        by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 04:14:57 PM PST

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        •  Right (4+ / 0-)
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          PHONY defense "cuts", while furloughing military and non military personnel (PAY CUT) on bases is OK with "progressives" in bloggo world.

          weak, very weak.

          again: NO difference between the repugs and "democrats" on this horseshit approach.

          "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

          by Superpole on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 04:20:50 PM PST

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          •  It's not OK (0+ / 0-)

            That's why I worked to keep Nancy Pelosi as Speaker instead of spending my time complaining about the horrors of the corporatist legislation she was enacting. And why I continue to believe sending a message to Dems about their shortcomings is a luxury we'd be stupid to pursue.

            You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

            by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 04:28:28 PM PST

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        •  It's a cut (10+ / 0-)

          and you can lie about that all you want but that is a rotten to the core thing to do with an issue as important to the American people and to the Democratic Party as Social Security.  Weasel spin and sneaky deceptive deceitful frames doesn't cut it and when people find out how you've lied to them, they never trust again.  This about how much people receive as a direct deposit into their bank account every month.  Seniors know to the penny what they get.   This isn't something you can be cute about.  

          •  It's not about being cute, it's about being honest (0+ / 0-)

            This is math and politics. Chained CPI doesn't cut what seniors get, it decreases the amount MORE that they would get. And it absolutely can be superceded, either by Democrats who take control of all 3 houses again in the future and raise the cap on high earners or Republicans who take control when you all give up on Dems.

            Seniors should also know to the penny why we're here... and it's because their generation built this economic and political system. They saw Reagan and Clinton, Bush and Bush tear this nation to shreds and yet they are itching to walk out on Obama? I don't buy that story.

            You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

            by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 05:55:37 PM PST

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            •  You're saying Clinton helped tear this nation (0+ / 0-)

              to shreds? ;-))))

              Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

              by corvo on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:00:38 PM PST

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              •  Deregulation of Wall Street vs chained CPI (0+ / 0-)

                Case Closed

                You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

                by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:03:24 PM PST

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                •  I look forward to hearing (2+ / 0-)
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                  what you have to say about President Obama in about ten years.

                  Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                  by corvo on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:05:12 PM PST

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                  •  I already made my prediction for 2023 (1+ / 0-)
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                    It will be the next time we have a chance again of doing as well as we did from 2009-2010, the goddamn golden years of Progressivism in my lifetime. I'll give you the straight dirt right now about what I think of Barack Obama. His fatal flaw was underestimating his opposition and overestimating his allies. He should have realized the latter would give up on him easily and the former never would.

                    You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

                    by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:14:53 PM PST

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                    •  You're right in saying that his opposition (0+ / 0-)

                      will never give up on him.  Why should it?  

                      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                      by corvo on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:20:29 PM PST

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            •  They've already received a cut w/shrubs re- (2+ / 0-)
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              definition of what the Cost of Living Index includes.  It no longer includes food or the cost of energy.
              If they are expected to take a further cut to help balance the deficit it's an outrageous affront.  SS has no impact on the deficit and you've been bought by the billion dollars Pete Peterson has spent to confuse and delude the issue.
              This should not even be in the conversation.  Can't imagine any informed Democrat even considering SS in the discussion!

              Don't believe everything you think.

              by BrianParker14 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:09:59 PM PST

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    •  Typical False Equivalency (3+ / 0-)
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      Cuts to bloated defense budget is no comparison to SS we have all paid into.  That is a typical righty comparison.  There are a zillion reasons not to compare the two.

      Don't believe everything you think.

      by BrianParker14 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 07:55:42 PM PST

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