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  •  Thanks. I do appreciate (2+ / 0-)
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    a civil answer from someone knowledgeable about guns. But my question isn't really answered here, except that there always will be some percent of people who are regularly careless, or occasionally careless, or that more rare Murphy's Law effect.

    So accidents are inevitable, and I continue to wonder why gun manufacturers are not required to include safety features.

     

    We cannot mistake absolutism for principle, or substitute spectacle for politics, or treat name-calling as reasoned debate. -Pres. Obama, 1/21/13

    by SoCalSal on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 01:16:02 PM PDT

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    •  I'm sure many times it's reported as (2+ / 0-)
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      an accident, or a cleaning, and it's really suicide attempts or homicides with immediate regret.

      40 years ago a friend of my grandmother's husband died and the story was he "died in bed" the implication was a heart attack after sex. It was a gun. People still tell lots of stories.

      http://www.cdc.gov/...

      Suicide twice as high as homicide for youth, and seven times as high for elderly? Need mental health initiatives- stat!

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      by MeToo on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 02:29:09 PM PDT

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    •  On that point, I think it's pure profit (3+ / 0-)
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      Greg Dworkin had a concept diary earlier this week about seatbelts, and how it took a whole generation to go from recognition of the problem, to requiring manufacturers to install them with voluntary use, to many years later requiring seat belt use.

      Note that we've known about this problem for more than a decade.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...

      J Public Health Policy. 1999;20(4):427-40.
      "I didn't know the gun was loaded": an examination of two safety devices that can reduce the risk of unintentional firearm injuries.

      Vernick JS, Meisel ZF, Teret SP, Milne JS, Hargarten SW.

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      Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, Baltimore, Maryland 21205, USA.

      Abstract
      Some handguns contain built-in safety devices intended to prevent injuries caused by erroneously believing that a handgun is loaded. A loaded chamber indicator indicates the presence of ammunition in the gun; a magazine safety prevents the gun from being fired when the ammunition magazine is removed, even if one round remains in the firing chamber. In our patent search these devices date back to the turn of the century. But on 1998 pistol models, only 11% contained a loaded chamber indicator and 14% had a magazine safety. In our random-digit-dial telephone survey of U.S. adults, 34.8% of poll respondents (incorrectly) thought that a firearm with its ammunition magazine removed could not be shot, or said that they did not know. Some of the 1100 unintentional gun deaths in the U.S. each year might be prevented if the prevalence of these and other safety devices is increased through legislation, litigation, or voluntary manufacturer action.

      [emphasis mine]

      I don't know what fraction of guns has these two kinds of safety mechanisms today.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 02:34:30 PM PDT

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      •  I hope that mandates for safety devices (1+ / 0-)
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        are included in federal legislation that is now being discussed, instead of lagging for another decade.

        Some of the 1100 unintentional gun deaths in the U.S. each year might be prevented...
        Thanks, LilithG.

        We cannot mistake absolutism for principle, or substitute spectacle for politics, or treat name-calling as reasoned debate. -Pres. Obama, 1/21/13

        by SoCalSal on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 03:36:58 PM PDT

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      •  "erroneously believing that a handgun is loaded."? (1+ / 0-)
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        Shouldn't that be
        "believing that a handgun is UNloaded..."?????

        I know it's a quote and not your words.....

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        by blindcynic on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 07:21:56 PM PDT

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        •  Good catch - it's in the original that way nt (0+ / 0-)

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 07:26:42 PM PDT

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