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  •  I'm not sure that's quite right. (1+ / 0-)
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    BvueDem
    "Males were seven times more likely to die or be treated in a hospital ED for a gunshot wound than females."
    This indicates that males - not male gun owners - are seven times more likely to suffer the consequences of a gun discharge. So it does not follow that male gun owners should pay a liability insurance rate seven times higher than female owners.

    Now if we can find out how many male gun owners are directly responsible for gun-related accidents and injury versus female owners, then it's a different story.

    •  Granted (1+ / 0-)
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      Now if we can find out how many male gun owners are directly responsible for gun-related accidents and injury versus female owners, then it's a different story.
      In your proposal the ratio for relative risk is likely to be much higher than 7.

      The observables suggest that men are highly likely to be shot when in the company of their friends/enemies who have guns. It's not rocket science to make an educated guess that those are mostly men who 1) bought the gun, 2) left in unsecured where a kid could find it, 3) discharged it while the barrel was pointed at someone.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 04:18:30 PM PDT

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      •  Quite possibly, yes. (0+ / 0-)

        If male gun owners are significantly more likely to handle their weapons in an unsafe way versus female gun owners, then there would be an argument for setting their hypothetical liability insurance rates in a way that reflects the disproportionate risk between the two groups.

        If this results in a rates disparity of more than 7:1, so be it; my point was purely that such rates could not be calculated against the number of males with gun-related injuries.

        •  Your point is made (0+ / 0-)

          My point is that it starts with the gun owner, but its not just that guns are more often purchased or acquired by men than by women.

          Men are more likely to be the shooter, not just to be the victim. Men are more likely than women to take a gun with them into a bar. Men are more likely than women to commit a violent crime with a gun. Men are more likely to succeed with a suicide attempt when it's made with a gun.

          Women are far less likely to insist on having a gun in the home when the man doesn't want a gun in the home, etc. Women are far less likely to shoot their domestic partners when they try to leave the relationship.

          We know from our cultural practices that if women with guns created an injury/death liability for everyone around them, women would NOT be allowed to have guns.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 01:59:55 PM PDT

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