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  •  Why are you being so combative? (3+ / 0-)
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    by elwior on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 12:25:30 PM PST

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    •  I'm genuinely curious about what evidence (0+ / 0-)

      led him to conclude that Cheney imposed his will on Bush for his entire first term. I enjoy hearing stories of palace intrigue.

      Why are you being so combative?
      Why would you ask me that? Am I not allowed to ask someone what led them to a given conclusion?
      •  Your comments don't read like curiosity (3+ / 0-)
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        They read like defensive challenges. Whatever your intention, you are coming off as a Cheney apologist.

        "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

        by Catte Nappe on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 12:46:56 PM PST

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        •  Are you out of your mind!? (0+ / 0-)

          I asked what evidence he has that Cheney imposed his will on Bush. I never questioned that Cheney was and is a bastard, there's plenty of evidence of that.

          But there's a difference between someone being a meglo-maniacal asshole and someone effectively imposing his will on the President of the United States. In the case of Cheney, it could very well be true, but I wanted to know what exactly led him to conclude that.

          Why on earth do you think I'm apologizing for Dick Cheney?! Are you not capable of making subtle distinctions or of thinking two things at once?

          •  Self examination (4+ / 0-)
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            I'm probably over endowed in the "subtle distinction" and "thinking two things at once" department.

            You received at least two comments noting your combative tone. You asked why anyone would say that. I point out how you are coming across - whatever your intended meaning might be.

            BTW - the definition of apologist does not involve apologizing - it involves defending. Nuanced difference there.

            "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

            by Catte Nappe on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 01:44:02 PM PST

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            •  But I'm not apologizing for or defending Cheney. (0+ / 0-)

              You're just flat out wrong about that, so why shouldn't I surmise that you might have a difficult time with nuance?

              Learn to read carefully.

              •  More self examination (2+ / 0-)
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                Not for me. For you. I will take you at your word that you don't mean to apologize for, or defend, Cheney. However, I am at least the third person to specifically note that you are coming off as though you do mean to defend him.  Other responders to your comments are also reacting to that impression from you. Try reading some of that carefully and see if you can figure out how to express what you do mean more effectively.

                "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

                by Catte Nappe on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 03:02:10 PM PST

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                •  Like who? (0+ / 0-)
                  Other responders to your comments are also reacting to that impression from you. Try reading some of that carefully and see if you can figure out how to express what you do mean more effectively.
                  Who other than you? And what statement or statements did I make that could even be remotely interpreted that way? You're the one claiming that I'm being unclear, so back it up.
                  •  Aww, geez fou (1+ / 0-)
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                    You and I are clearly on the same political side over in the Fishgrease diary, but over here you are just stubbornly entrenched in not hearing what people are saying to you.   You can read the thread yourself. Search for "combative".  Two other commenters said you were coming off that way. You read at least one, because you directly asked why they said that; which is when I (apparently fruitlessly) tried to explain why. When three people independently, and without a lot of rancor, point out you are coming across as combative it might be a good thought to figure out why your intentions are being so widely misunderstood. A key aspect of communication is that the message is usually what people hear, regardless of what you actually meant.   I have now well exceeded how far I am usually willing to go to the right margin in comment threads so I think we will have to conclude there will be no meeting of the minds between us on this particular question; and just move on to fight the good fight together on those issues where we do agree.

                    "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

                    by Catte Nappe on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 03:52:18 PM PST

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