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  •  I don't understand statements like this. (3+ / 0-)
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    I am a huge supporter and fan of Obama (0+ / 0-)
    but I also do support criticism, where criticism is due, and in that vein, I would say that the goal of criticism of Obama from the left is to influence Obama's actions.
    Doesn't this go without saying? Why do people feel the need to say this ad nauseum?
    •  Because people keep accusing us (4+ / 0-)

      of being Naderites, "Paultards," etc. etc. etc.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 01:12:09 PM PST

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    •  Did you read the diary? (11+ / 0-)

      The diarist explicitly asked, twice, and in bold letters:

      What do you want to happen?  What do you foresee as the possible fruits of your criticism?

      In fact, unless I am mistaken, these two questions were the main point of the diary. I was just answering the diarist's questions. I also qualified my position on Obama, also because of what the diarist wrote:

      "These questions are not for the anti-Obama crowd..."

      I am a strong supporter and fan of Obama. I wanted that to be clear. And I believe a healthy democracy requires healthy criticism. And I do agree with you, that this goes without saying, maybe, except that the diarist raised the question, so I stated what I do believe the Daily Kos community obviously believes.

      •  Fair enough. (2+ / 0-)
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        Fishgrease, sensetolisten

        You're right. Your statement does directly answer the diarist's question, so it makes perfect sense in this context.

        I was reacting to the fact that I've seen this statement so many times before. You'd think that eventually people wouldn't have to say it, but there's so much angst around this Presidency that I don't think I'll hear the end of it before his second term is up.

        •  I get that. But I have zero angst towards him. (2+ / 0-)
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          fou, kurt

          I hope I did not give a contrary impression. I wanted the diarist to understand my position, this is all. Quite frankly, some of the angst towards the President pisses me off, mainly when people conveniently forget the unprecedented filibuster BS he had to deal with.. as if Obama was some sort of a dictator who could control Congress. He is not and cannot. The separation of powers in our government makes sure of that. And given this obstructionist action in Congress by the Republicans, I think Obama has done an unbelievable job. However, this does not mean that I am intolerant of criticisms of Obama, but if you do criticize, you better damn well make sure that it's not the Republicans in Congress who are not to blame for what you are laying at Obama's feet.

          Now, in case anyone is wondering, even though I did appreciate the sentiment of this diary, I didn't rec this diary because of this statement by the diarist:

          "I know we're supposed to develop opinions independently but fuck that. Too goddamn hard."

          Which I found to be inexcusable laziness. But, to each his or her own... I did not voice my criticism in my original comment, because I really did not want to be antagonistic, and I only voice it now, merely to make a point and explain my position because it seems to have been questioned. And, like the diarist, I am a strong supporter of Obama, but I do not solely base my opinion on other peoples' assessments. I make my own assessments. I do avariciously read other people's opinions, even that of some right wing conservatives, if they seem to have a modicum of intelligence, even if I don't agree with them, merely to see the contrasting viewpoint, but I base my own opinion on my own analysis.

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