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  •  What about Washington and The Whiskey Rebellion? (2+ / 0-)
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    What about shooting down hijacked planes before they crash into buildings?

    What about about the law:

    Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.

    "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

    by sebastianguy99 on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 01:00:43 PM PST

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    •  "What about shooting down hijacked planes (8+ / 0-)

      before they crash into buildings?"

      You mean suspected hijacked airplanes.  If the pilots miss a radio call telling them to switch frequencies and contact the next controller, they go out of radio range for the frequency they are currently on.  If that goes on long enough (it has, many times, over the last decade), the fighters are scrambled.  If no one can raise the pilots, they, and all their passengers, get shot down. (Haven't done that part, yet, of course.)  There, I'll bet that makes everyone feel safer.

      That word, suspected is the important part of all this...because our country is killing people that are suspected terrorists.  To bad a bunch of them were just going to weddings and other family gatherings.

      "We refuse to fight in a war started by men who refused to fight in a war." -freewayblogger

      by Bisbonian on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 01:19:24 PM PST

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      •  It is not restricted to hijackings. (3+ / 0-)

        If the plane is disabled, passengers dead, etc. the same protocols apply. If you remember the Payne Stewart plane incident, pilot and passengers were dead due to loss of cabin pressure. Jets were scrambled, the checklist was followed, the trajectory calculated and since the crash site was not in a populated area, they let it crash rather than shoot it down.

      •  No, I'm talking about a plane full of citizens (1+ / 0-)
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        ...as in what almost happened on 9/11.

        To answer your question, the Constitution does not state that a citizen has a right to wage war on the country. Due process cannot vindicate a right that does not exist.

        To follow your logic, a citizen can wage war on the U.S. with impunity if he does so within a nation that refuses to allow U.S. law enforcement to enter the country to apprehend him. That doesn't even pass the laugh test.

        I noticed you didn't bother to respond to what President Washington did or to what the actual law states. We have statutory authority as well as previous history to guide us in answering these questions.

        "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

        by sebastianguy99 on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 01:47:00 PM PST

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        •  Well, I didn't ask any questions, except to (0+ / 0-)

          Quote one of yours, to indicate which one I was responding to...so I really have no idea what you are talking about.  But never mind.

          "We refuse to fight in a war started by men who refused to fight in a war." -freewayblogger

          by Bisbonian on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 01:51:15 PM PST

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          •  They are in my comment. You saw only a sentence? (0+ / 0-)

            Well, ok. I thought you read the entire comment and took note of the question marks.

            "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

            by sebastianguy99 on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 03:49:05 PM PST

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        •  Re (2+ / 0-)
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          A citizen is incapable of waging war on anyone.

          War is something that can only occur between nation states.

          If another nation refuses to cooperate with US law enforcement, that's a diplomatic problem between those two nations (that may be resolved with a war, or not). But that still doesn't change the facts.

          (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
          Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

          by Sparhawk on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 03:12:07 PM PST

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          •  Keep telling yourself that. Ignoring realty does (2+ / 0-)
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            wader, glorificus

            ...have advantages.

            We live in a digital world and it is entirely possible for an individual to wage war. You don't need tanks and missiles to go to war.

            You don't get to go to Yemen and direct and/or assist in the killing of citizens and then hide behind due process. The Constitution doesn't direct that you get to keep killing unless and until law enforcement is able to apprehend you. People who make this argument look silly and undermine what should otherwise be a frank discussion about present day threats and civil liberties.

            In any case, the point is that current law gives the Executive the authority to kill citizens within a narrow set of circumstances. It has happened before as President Washington killed citizens when he lead militia during his first term. These are facts btw, no changing as you say.

            "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

            by sebastianguy99 on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 04:03:36 PM PST

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            •  Lol (6+ / 0-)
              You don't get to go to Yemen and direct and/or assist in the killing of citizens and then hide behind due process. The Constitution doesn't direct that you get to keep killing unless and until law enforcement is able to apprehend you. People who make this argument look silly and undermine what should otherwise be a frank discussion about present day threats and civil liberties.
              How do you know that anyone went to Yemen and killed or assisted in the killing of anyone?

              Take the President's unaccountable word for it? Most Presidents have been known liars, no reason to trust them in this case.

              (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
              Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

              by Sparhawk on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 04:32:07 PM PST

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      •  Don't forget the fun "guilt by association" part. (1+ / 0-)
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        Nada Lemming

        Make sure not to be related to anybody dangerous.

        if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 12:32:25 AM PST

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