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  •  There are lots of terrible things (1+ / 0-)
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    that are not torture. People who die agonizingly of cancer are not "tortured". Torture is supposed to convey a specific meaning. It's not a matter of whether something is "as bad" as torture, but rather whether something is torture. A state banning abortions is practicing a bad policy that could result in many painful, unnecessary deaths; even so, that state is not engaged in a policy of "torture".

    •  Perhaps then, the state is just involved in (1+ / 0-)
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      Terrorism, rather than torture..........

      As of this morning November 7, 2012 the Includers are ascendant, and the Excluders are in the minority. [samsoneyes]

      by FlamingoGrrl on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 03:46:22 PM PST

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    •  When a woman is forced to endure (1+ / 0-)
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      a 74 hour labor because the idiot on call said as long as the mother was continuing to dilate, aside from malpractice, I'd call that torture. It was a willful disregard for my friend's physical and mental well being that could have cost her life, and the life of her daughter.

      •  The legal definition for torture includes that it (0+ / 0-)

        be performed by someone acting in an official capacity on behalf of a government, and that it be intended as punishment or to extract information.

        •  I don't think that's entirely true (0+ / 0-)

          That's one definition but probably not the only one. There ease a recent trial in Tennessee where the torture of a couple played a prominent role in their murder trials.

          •  It is true. Read the Convention Against Torture, (0+ / 0-)

            or read 18.USC.22340 or 18.USC.2441.

            The lay usage of the word "torture" is slightly different from the legal definition in several areas, although the concept that it involve "severe physical or mental pain or suffering" is the same.

            •  Also, in this context of the UNHCR rapporteur (0+ / 0-)

              the legal definition of torture is really all that matters.

              Denying access to abortion would be a human rights violation as far as the UNHCR is concerned, but it's absolutely not torture.

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