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  •  You Have a Lot of Wrong Opinions (0+ / 0-)

    I didn't say it was the movement that changed everything.

    I also didn't say you don't get to have an opinion. I just said your opinion is wrong.

    And you didn't hurt my feelings. You're good at being wrong.

    So you go on being wrong:

    Suburban homeowners don't "internalize macroeconomics"? I'm a suburban homeowner, I'm in that 25% you're attacking, and I don't know about "internalize", but I don't think "all taxes bad". Neither did a lot of us who voted for Obama and higher taxes. This diary actually says that there was no correlation of a district's median income with the party of who its voters voted to represent them. You are so wrong.

    OWS was not "the serial protestors". I was down there myself, and I'm not a serial protestor. Neither were the majority of people down there, including several on DKos who became fairly high profile because of it. You are wrong again.

    BTW, your sig disagrees with your opposition to OWS.

    Then you say OWS is counterproductive because "30% of the country is far right". Your logic says that if it's not acceptable to the far right, or to the rightmost 30%, then it's not happening. HA! I'm not going to bother explaining how that's wrong.

    You are so totally wrong about everything you're spouting. Yes, you're entitled to think those things. Indeed, you're entitled to be wrong.

    But you're not entitled to shoot your mouth off in public with your wrong opinions without being challenged. You're wrong. If you had any sense you'd keep it to yourself.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 07:29:00 PM PDT

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    •  I think you're wrong (1+ / 0-)
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      You may be a homeowner (or not, this is the internet) but the electoral history since 1980 is on the side of my argument. Reagan and on have sold all "taxes" as "evil". Still going on as we speak. Dems (and this is a Dem, not OWS, site) have paid a big price for not enunciating tax fairness.

      This wasn't supposed to be yet another thread with the valiant warriors of Occupy but ...

      It's been generally accepted, including some strange academic study, that not only was OWS the "serial protestors" but that is how the general public perceived it. I'm basing many my opinions on living walking distance from the W in OWS. I was also there. < 1000 people in a city of 8 1/2 million. A half a block away downtown going on as usual. Ipads on one side and meth deals on the other. And that was a general media assessment as well. Having been to lots of demonstrations - including labor on Broadway that didn't get anywhere near the media bubble - I stand by my statement - and the academic study - that says "serial protestors" (I include myself over the decades)

      My point about the 30% being far right is they look at a bunch of (us) hippies and say "You're not the 99%". Had this discussion outside of New York City with some Republican (and Independent which seemed to mean voting Democrat but not in public) friends. Even the sympathetic (working class) Republican was very adamant that some yuppies with ipads and street people in Zuccotti didn't represent him or his community. He may have been sympathetic to the idea of Wall St out of control but that's not the message he or his community was getting from OWS.

      So you're wrong. And if you're going to be wrong in a comment thread try to stick to the original argument.

      If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

      by jgnyc on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 05:32:19 AM PDT

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      •  You're Still Wrong (0+ / 0-)

        So you live in Wall Street and your Republican out of towner friend agrees with you that OWS was just a bunch of yuppies with iPads who all go to all the other protests.

        Sounds like you're just projecting.

        Because for one, "all the other protests" aren't filled with "yuppies with iPads". That's not even the corporate media story, which is that the "serial protestors" are all commies, at best college professors and students, not yuppies with iPads. It's a simple contradiction, though I expect that's indeed what Fox News portrayed it as in stories mutually exclusive from each other's meaning - and from the truth. And I expect that's where your Republican friend gets their news, or at least what they repeat in public with people "not  from here" like you, because that's where people like that get their news and their need to hide how they actually vote.

        For another, OWS wasn't just a bunch of yuppies with iPads. There were lots of college age and somewhat younger people down there to speak out about what Wall Street had just done to their chances of being a yuppie with an iPad, or anything else. There were also plenty of the permanently disenfranchised, who saw an unusual chance to maybe get their lives on the radar of the public in that extraordinary event.

        The mass media recognized this was a broad cross-section of society engaged in an unusual display, not the "every protest with the usual suspects" that the mass media long ago completely ignored (despite the public relevance of any given protest). That's why OWS got so much coverage, and spread to so many other places. Until the mass media directors realized that the spread threatened their incumbency, and then the security forces that protect their incumbency started beating the OWS people, so the cameras and the "this is new" story had to stop.

        So you're wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

        You were also wrong when you said:
        * I said it was the movement that changed everything.
        * I said you don't get to have an opinion.
        * You hurt my feelings, in a really primitive attempt to win while being really wrong.
        * Suburban homeowners don't "internalize macroeconomics" and "think taxes bad".

        Even your sig thinks you're wrong.

        And now you're criticize me for "not sticking to the original argument". I am sticking to it. But chasing down the various spurious factors you introduced so you could work on being wrong about everything requires some flexibilty. I guess your whining about my chasing your tangents goes along with your equating my saying you're wrong with saying you can't have an opinion.

        So here's the core of the argument:
        54% of Americans said they approve of Occupy Wall Street when polled just before last year's presidential election. That's over a quarter more than approved of Obama, who won reelection handily the next month, and people trusted to run the country for another 4 years.

        You're wrong about everything. And you're getting boring to demonstrate as wrong. At least be wrong in a more interesting way if you want to keep getting these free corrections.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 07:44:19 AM PDT

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        •  walking distance son (0+ / 0-)

          I'm rent stabilized on the island of Manhattan.

          I was in Z park on and off and know what I saw. FWIW friends are still involved on the other coast and doing good stuff well bellow the radar.

          The rest of your screed isn't worth responding to. You're not a "home owner", you're a generic blog warrior. Fight on.

          If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

          by jgnyc on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 07:58:05 AM PDT

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