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  •  If Americans only realized ,,, (7+ / 0-)

    that the pipeline is about exporting the oil not keeping it here in the US for domestic consumption there would not be the support for it among the average voter that now exists.

    "Remember, Republican economic policies quadrupled the debt before I took office and doubled it after I left. We simply can't afford to double-down on trickle-down." Bill Clinton

    by irate on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 08:30:41 AM PDT

    •  Yes indeed (5+ / 0-)

      There is a reason why the majors want the oil going to Gulf Coast refineries where refined products can then be sold in the global market.

      Be radical in your compassion.

      by DWG on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 08:37:02 AM PDT

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    •  yeah it's fairly easy to figure that out yet (3+ / 0-)
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      the annoying and completely stupid talking point survives.

      Honestly, I'm starting to think Bush/Cheney had a better quality of lies.  These are bargain-basement lies we're getting now.

      if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 09:00:49 AM PDT

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    •  Your statement is 100% conflation (1+ / 0-)
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      Tar sands synthetic crude to be transported to the south central U.S. refinery market will replace  refinery feedstocks presently received from Venezuelan, Mexican and Saudi sources.    You're trying to paint a picture that this crude oil is somehow mostly for foreign shipping and consumption, and that is a totally false depiction of the situation.

      Nothing about the construction of the Keystone XL Pipeline changes the physical capacity of gulf coast refineries and no aspect of the Keystone XL Pipeline decision has any effect on the domestic vs. export market mix for gulf-coast-refinery-produced refinery products.

      Tar sands synthetic crude from the Keystone XL pipeline  will replace such conventional heavy sour crude used at gulf region refineries that meet their existing domestic markets with their existing domestic refining capacity.   Such tar sands crude replacements will occur in the gulf region in the same manner as they have occurred all throughout the midwest and portions of the northeastern U.S.  

      Most gulf refineries were long ago modified to handle conventionally produced heavy sour crude from Venezuela.    Refineries having the capacity to handle conventional heavy sour crude can change to tar sands synthetic crude with no change in process equipment.   There will not be any significant differences in refinery emissions from processing 100 % conventional heavy sour crude vs. 100% tar sands synthetic crude.   Each of those two refinery feedstocks will have similar sulfur content, viscosity, elemental analysis, etc. for refinery purposes.

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