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  •  Having lived in Boston and rode the T (3+ / 0-)

    I think there is some truth to this, quite frankly.

    and why wouldn't that happen assuming that the GOP moves somewhat left?

    That's how deep the race chasm is.

    Sure people can vote for black governors (that's happened in the South) and black presidents but how would you feel about living next to someone from the 'hood.

    No class analysis makes this specific venture a failure but I get his point

    •  and remember I'm black (3+ / 0-)
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      and have lived in Chicago (other than a 18 month stint in Boston) for 20 years.

      it's easy for whte people to say there's no truth to this. Ask black (or Latino) people of various economic class distinctions what they think. What they say might surprise you.

      •  Boston was the town that rioted over busing (7+ / 0-)

        My mocking isn't so much that I don't think there's racism in Boston.  And I quite agree that there's racism in Chicago too sadly.

         But frankly a few folks riding the T and getting uncomfortable over a few Spanish speakers doesn't convince me that they will be rushing into the arms of the GOP.

        •  somepeople mistakenly believe that all of Boston's (3+ / 0-)
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          White's rioted over busing, when it was largerly two lower income neighborhoods, specific neighborhoods.

          and it wasn't ONLYl about racism though A LOT of racist uglyness came out in their anger. I don't think what initiated it was BEING with some Black kids per say.

          I lived through it. The White neighborhoods had better schools. To integrate, White kids would be shipped to WORSE schools far away from home, up to a 45 min drive.

          The parents didn't want their kids going to worse schools in different neighborhoods when their current school was better. They didn't have the progressive "this is what is right" point of view...they though only of their own kids. Which I think many parents would do today if told they'd have to send their kid to a worse school 45 min away.

          My feeling is that if the schools in the White neighborhoods were WORSE and they were being bused to BETTER schools it would have been different. Maybe just grumbling.

          But the being forced unleashed all the just-under-the-surface racist feelings and they came burbling up in an ugly way.

          However, that was 35 years ago, the parents are elderly or dead and the kids are grown. Boston has change a lot for the better, even those White neighborhoods are integrated functionally.

          I am not sure if Boston currently is more racist than many other cities. A friend of mine says it isnt', but a poster above says it is. Don't know when they lived here, though. The only people who really can tell are Black people who've lived in other cities. As  White person with only a few Black friends, all I know is that casual racist talk or any sort of attitude is not acceptable here amongst college educated people. Mind you, most people under 50 in greater Boston are likely college educated.

          •  Well, having lived in Boston AND Chicago (0+ / 0-)

            and Washington DC and New York...and being born and raised in Detroit

            I have never wavered from my opinion that Washington DC was the most racist city that I've lived in, period.

            At least in Chicago, there is a large black middle class.

            •  in your experience where does Boston (0+ / 0-)

              rank?

              (and how long ago did you live there or do you think all of your experiences are current?
              I had someone tell me something about a town and they hadn' t lived there in forty years, one time.)

              •  sorry this is redundant. I looked at them in the (0+ / 0-)

                wrong order.

                I didn' t get if you lived here 18 months ago or for 18 months.

                I am sorry you had a bad time in this city. I've not seen racism here in the covert way White people see racism in other White people (eye rolls, comments about "those people" stuff like that) in the 20 yrs I"ve lived in Boston (absent five in the middle), and I have in some other places I've lived. I've wondered if that was just an artifact of my own circumstances and circles.

      •  how long ago did you live in Boston (0+ / 0-)

        and where did you live?

        That matters a lot.

      •  I used to be white... (2+ / 0-)
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        ....and then I found out that believing in science, arithmetic, and reality in general disqualifies me...according to the official white (Republican) party.

        Don't know what I am now, but I'll never vote for one of those thieving idiots, no matter what color I am.

        "...to name something is to own it." Thomas L. Friedman. Pleonexia. Ruthless self-seeking. An arrogant assumption that others and things exist for one's own benefit. I now own the Republican Party.

        by Dave in Columbus on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 12:39:51 PM PDT

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    •  I seem to recall reading somewhere... (7+ / 0-)

      that there was some evidence racism tends to be more common when you have a relatively small number of a minority in an area.

      When people never interact with people of other races, or do so on a daily basis, there are fewer racist tendencies.

      Can't remember the source, or the context, unfortunately.

    •  Boston is horribly racist (1+ / 0-)
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      though I think the city itself is actually a bit less so now than it was thirty years ago.  Most of the racists have moved out to the suburbs -- they're my neighbors out in the bedroom community about thirty minutes on the T from downtown where I live.  I've seen more confederate battle flags within a twenty minute drive from my house than I ever expected to see in any northern community.  Boston itself, on the other hand, has become significantly more diverse ethnically and I think social attitudes have changed significantly since the busing wars..

      It looks to me like the good perfesser goes into his research with a specific outcome he'd like to produce, and then designs his studies in such a way as to produce that outcome.  I'd like to know a lot more, for example, about how he assessed the views of the riders on the T.  What did the survey look like?  How was it administered?  Did he make certain to interview the same riders before and after the "intervention?"  If so, how?  Did he attempt to control for the effects of taking the survey itself on the results it produced?

      I don't think his "study" passes the laugh test, regardless of how racist white liberals might be.

      When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

      by litho on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 11:54:16 AM PDT

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      •  I liked Cambridge much better (0+ / 0-)

        than Boston, actually.

      •  Can I ask you if you how you observe racism (1+ / 0-)
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        and what you see that makes you blanket this entire city as "horribly racist'?

        I am born and raised in the Boston area and live here now. I have lived in other cities and in the UK (only for a year) as well.

        As a White person, I do not encounter any behind-the-back overt or covert racist Talk amongst White people in Boston and never have as an adult (lived in Boston for 20 years, suburb before that). I have heard racist behind the back talk amongst White people when I lived in other places. And antiSemetic talk and anti Pakistani talk in the UK (that was 20 yrs ago though) as well. By behind the back talk I mean Presumed out of the earshot of the minority being eye-rolled or talked about negatively.

        I am aware however that one Black friend of mine was followed around in a store like she was going to shoplift and I was not. And another friend got pulled over and it was clear to him he was guilty of Driving While Black. So racism surely exists in Boston, I just have never realized/known/experienced (to the extent I can) that it was worse than other cities. ie "Horrible" as you say.

        Being of lower income, and for part of that, young, I lived where students and young professionals live and generally those places have a blend of races and Gay/straight etc so it might be why I haven't encountered it.

        I DID encounter negative back talk amongst my parent's generation (Born in 1930s, ie 80ish now) when I was growing up in a suburb south of Boston, however. I have not heard that kind of talk around here since I was a teenager...except with an old neighbor of my mothers who by then was elderly. Admittedly, my cross sectional experience of "Boston" might be narrow or certainly not the same as yours...but that could be because your point of view is different depending on your ethnicity. Unfortunately.

        I have never seen a confederate flag flying around here. EVER. I believe you of course but clearly your cross section of where you drive and the areas you frequent (to see the flags) are different than mine. I do recall a STORY in the paper about a college student (Harvard?) hanging a confederate flag from dorm window and the controversy that begat.

        I'll admit it. I find your blanket statement "Boston is horribly racist" upsetting because it is so general and you don't qualify how you know that or what you experienced. You present it as a given. If you are a racial/ethnic minority it would be helpful to know because it would show me how oblivious I am being, can be, because I am WHite.

        •  I thought I made it clear I live in the suburbs (2+ / 0-)
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          south suburbs, to be exact.  Most of the folks around here are transplants from South Boston, and many of my neighbors were high school students during the busing wars.  They make their racism known is large and small ways, and you don't even have to be that attentive to pick it up in casual conversation.

          I do think the city is more tolerant than it once was, but in large part because the most racist whites moved out to the burbs when they lost the busing war.  When I say "Boston is horribly racist" I'm referring to the metro area, and not to the city itself.  I thought that was clear in my initial comment, but apparently it wasn't.

          For one indicator of racist sentiment in the region, I'd refer you to the polling on immigrant rights.  This is the state that banned bilingual education, after all, and has a legislature that seeks to deny immigrants drivers' licenses and in-state tuition at state colleges and universities.

          Awhile back my daily commute used to take me past a house in Bellingham, if memory serves correctly, that proudly flew the confederate flag on a tall pole in its front yard.  I can't guarantee it's still there, as my commute has changed, but it was there for several years.  In Walpole, a town I visit often, the high school teams call themselves the Rebels.  Though the official emblem is Virginia Cavaliers style crossed swords, a lot of folks in the community use the stars and bars.  They put decals on their cars, and some fly the flag in their yards.

          When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

          by litho on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 01:41:26 PM PDT

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