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  •  Going against the grain here, it seems (4+ / 0-)

    But I actually quite liked the article. Sure, the study itself was inconclusive, but I see no reason to doubt the historical claims he makes:

    In the 1930s, political scientist V.O. Key found evidence that, in Southern counties with large numbers of African Americans, white voters were politically mobilized: They voted more than whites in neighboring counties and supported candidates espousing discriminatory views in greater numbers. A similar trend recurred a generation later, when liberal Sen. Paul Douglas of Illinois lost his 1966 reelection bid, in large part because of votes cast by whites living in parts of Chicago that had seen an influx of African Americans.
    And the article was in no way arguing that liberal whites will definitely go to the GOP, much less that it's "saved":
    Just as demographic shifts do not guarantee a Democratic majority, it is not certain that interaction between groups will hurt Democrats. Social scientists have identified a host of conditions that foster political harmony between groups, including economic equality and common goals, such as being part of the same team in the workplace, school or the military. These are conditions that liberals typically favor through their legislative agenda.

    For example, a progressive tax code and liberal social spending are designed to promote economic equality. And immigration reform proposals, such as the Dream Act, are designed to more fully integrate institutions such as colleges and the military.

    The recognition that liberals’ policies can not only establish their ideological goals but also help maintain their political majority should give Democrats greater urgency in their legislative efforts to promote equality.

    So yeah. Overall a good article in my opinion (and a somewhat misleading diary). What's the issue?

    "He, O men, is the wisest, who, like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing."--Socrates

    by TealTerror on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 10:55:30 AM PDT

    •  Jim Crow in the South (2+ / 0-)
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      During Reconstruction, blacks combined with white Unionists formed a majority in every one of the recent Confederate states except Virginia (that largely because mostly white West Virginia was detached from Virginia.)  Black voting suppression became necessary to recreate white rule.  Over the next 75 years, the most horrible counties for voter suppression, lynchings, arbritrary arrests, and overall Jim Crow, were counties with black majorities - and the larger the black majority the worse was the oppression.  By contrast, in white majority counties - particularly in Appalachia, voter suppression and other oppressive measures were relatively relaxed.  

      On the Dream Act, Maryland voters defeated the Republican referendum that petitoned the law enacted by the state legislature to the ballot.  59% voted for the Dream Act, so it passed easily, but I don't know the racial breaksown of this vote.

      "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

      by Navy Vet Terp on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 11:16:43 AM PDT

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      •  you forgot Sundown Towns and white riots (3+ / 0-)
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        where several African American towns were razed and their residents driven into the fields and woods

      •  Of course that's true (1+ / 0-)
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        But, in this particular case, it's beside the point. The question is not in which counties was oppression most rampant--of course that would be the majority-black counties--but in which counties was white support for oppression highest.

        I'm not sure what you're arguing with the paragraph about the Dream Act.

        "He, O men, is the wisest, who, like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing."--Socrates

        by TealTerror on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 11:35:56 AM PDT

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        •  If we white liberals hate Latinos so much (1+ / 0-)
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          Why did a high percentage of us white Marylanders (possibly a majority of Maryland whites, but I don't know) vote for it?  Even in very white exurban Frederick County, which in 2010 elected teabaggers to run the county, it nearly passed 49 to 51 percent.

          "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

          by Navy Vet Terp on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 11:47:15 AM PDT

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          •  Strawman (2+ / 0-)
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            Nobody is saying white liberals hate Latinos; nobody's even saying a majority of white liberals are racist (being a racist and hating minorities are not the same thing). FFS, I'm a white liberal too.

            "He, O men, is the wisest, who, like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing."--Socrates

            by TealTerror on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 11:58:12 AM PDT

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    •  people that do and site studies need to give (1+ / 0-)
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      more data so we can see if the study itself holds water. He did not say in the article even HOW MANY people he interviewed. It matter quite a bit if it was 10 or, say, 40.

      ALso, I live in the Boston area and am very familiar with the commuter rail. There are some rich towns with mostly White residents (MA has only 6.6% Black population as it is, half of the average for the US as a whole, IIRC) on the commuter rail. And some of those towns LEAN REPUBLICAN.

      Whole swaths voted for Scott Brown and really are not that liberal at all. It's a myth that MA is smoothly BLUE and seemingly the author relies on that myth when he very well could have picked a town that was not particularly liberal, which makes his study MOOT since he purports that he studied this "very liberal area' and tries to extrapolate the people he studied to Dems country wide who might switch to Republican party.

      •  That's all well and good (1+ / 0-)
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        And I agree he should've given more details, but that doesn't invalidate the rest of the article.

        "He, O men, is the wisest, who, like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing."--Socrates

        by TealTerror on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 06:19:59 PM PDT

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