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  •  meh (2+ / 0-)
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    As important as Keystone is, Obama's actions to reduce oil consumption and following through on EPA regulation to shut down coal plants are more important actions. Fatalistic rhetoric is great for protest rallies but Keystone isn't the most important decision he'll make on climate.

    •  actually, they're not (1+ / 0-)
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      kxl approval will more than offset all the good obama is attempting on climate. this isn't a balancing act.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 12:49:22 PM PDT

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    •  If the top eco/climate scientists consider the (0+ / 0-)

      Keystone XL pipeline extremely damaging to the climate and very important to have it stopped, I'll go along with them. Check out Bill McKibben and James Hansen on the subject.

      Obama's actions on fuel efficiency haven't kicked in yet and the tar sands are producing pet coke which is dirtier than coal.

      It's the American people who have decided not to drive as much, either because they can't afford it, because of peak car or for the climate, or...

      •  As I wrote (2+ / 0-)
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        it's certainly important, and I trust their judgement as well. Still, coal power plants are the top source of CO2 and the bigger picture on oil is to reduce consumption from ALL sources.

        •  "reduce the oil" is already happening that's the (0+ / 0-)

          good news.

          If Jim Hansen tells you that if the Tar Sands continues to its proposed 8 million barrels a day, it's "game over" then he thinks it is worse than coal. It's killing a carbon sink, it's destroying a source of fresh water for the continent.

          What is this game? When I post about fracking, I get "coal is worse" and about tar sands "coal is worse." As if there is some kind of rule that only the worst possible danger to the climate is worth discussing.

          Tar Sands has surpassed coal in green house gas emissions because of its byproduct pet coke.

    •  There are no "EPA regulation to shut down (0+ / 0-)

      coal plants"

      What you're talking about does not exist.

      •  Info. (2+ / 0-)
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        The combined impact of several regulations are already forcing coal plants to clean up or shut down. Anything that increases the cost of operating an aging coal plant will push more of them to be retired early. Look up MACT, coal ash rule, CASPR, and CO2 on existing plants.

        People who ask when Obama is going to get serious about climate change have missed noticing what's going on just because he didn't make a big speech about EPA regulation.

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