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  •  There is debate about whether the AUMF (1+ / 0-)
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    actually justifies attacks on various al-Qaeda "branded" groups that have nothing to do with the original al Qaeda and are solely interested in causing trouble in their local region.

    Tell me how

    the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons
    justifies the drone strikes Obama is making in northern Africa. The "organizations" there had nothing to do with 9/11; most of them didn't even exist at the time.

    Of course, the POTUS can make any "determinations he wants, no matter how patently false,  but the people passing the resolution probably assumed he would act in good faith.

    American exceptionalism is America's road to perdition.

    by Alexandre on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 05:00:53 PM PDT

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    •  Oh, that's easy. (6+ / 0-)
      the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons
      The President has, according to the AUMF, sole and unchecked discretion in determining who aided the 9/11 attacks, and also who provided safe harbor to those who did.

      Which means the President is perfectly within his rights to use very thin evidence to make that determination. He's also well within his rights to determine that al-Qaeda in Iraq or Sudan or Yemen is an outgrowth of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and therefore the same organization rather than a separate and loosely affiliated organization. And then they're targets.

      The problem is the AUMF. It gave the President a loaded gun and free rein to point it at anyone he wanted. The AUMF needs to be repealed.

      We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

      by raptavio on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 06:07:47 PM PDT

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    •  they're forces that are allied with al-Qaeda. (0+ / 0-)

      per the courts, the AUMF extends to associated forces of al-Qaeda.  if you want to understand more, go read the opinion of the court.

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