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  •  Did you read his articles? (3+ / 0-)
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    There are no sacred cows.

    by LaEscapee on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:51:56 AM PDT

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    •  I've read Greenwalds articles (0+ / 0-)

      in many venues and have read several of Markos' here, neither of their articles from CATO.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 11:00:51 AM PDT

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      •  I was asking about Markos's (4+ / 0-)

        writings for Cato I can find the links for you.

        There are no sacred cows.

        by LaEscapee on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 11:09:43 AM PDT

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      •  Here is the thing (3+ / 0-)
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        you linked DU as proof that GG was libertarian freak from his writings at Cato and proclaimed that Markos wasn't even though he has written at Cato. Now you admit you have never read eithers writings there.

        I get that when the water is deep you have to keep treading but the best approach is bring a life jacket in the first.

        There are no sacred cows.

        by LaEscapee on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 11:14:58 AM PDT

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        •  Did you miss this part? (0+ / 0-)
          The day after the November 2010 election, Glenn Greenwald addressed Paulites in Wisconsin to discuss the possibility of splitting progressive voters away from the Democrats. Greenwald’s strategy then included Libertarian support for Citizens United, Bradley Manning, and the Tea Party, as well as attacks on Obama, in the hopes that the Democrats would lose still more seats in 2012
          That was NOT at CATO, it was at a wRongPaul gathering and it explicitly proves what I was saying that his strategy is to fu(k the Democrats. That is exactly the problem I have with him, this particular thing. And obviously, he has a following that see no harm in what he's doing. I'm trying to point out the harm that he has done.
          Personally I don't care about political labels. They are useful for general discussion but don't necessarily hold up in detail. They are far too subjective and the meanings are fluid. I'm more interested in the outcomes and the outcome of 2010 was bad.
          From primary cycle of 2008 onward, supposedly liberal commentators spent a huge amount of verbiage running down Obama and the Dems, leading to the disaster of 2010.
          You can no longer access the Buzzflash comments, but you can see this in action at TruthOut, Alternet, CommonDreams, Counterpunch, The Nation, Salon, TPM, FDL and a whole bunch of other progressive sites. A steady unrelenting stream of Obamahatred and bashing of anyone who would try to defend the man (very much the same as the intimidation practices in this thread, though I haven't yet heard "Obamabot", I'm sure it's lurking).
          Are all of these sites inconsequential? That they have no influence on their readers? If so why does anyone bother to read them? Or publish there?
          Or do they have influence, but just not on this, the most critical issue, at the time?

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 12:46:45 PM PDT

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          •  actually, what Glenn is saying is that the... (3+ / 0-)
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            system is broken and he hopes that we the people will have the courage to do what it's going to take to change it, which is actually use our votes as a bargaining chip as opposed to what the GOPers and Dems bank on - which is the lesser evils argument. the lesser of 2 evils method of voting only serves the elites in this country. and people in both main parties do just that.

            i have to say, i agree with Glenn on that. things in this country will not really start to right themselves for the whole of us unless we do. the politicians in this country have absolutely no impetus to look out for the little guy as long as the media are in love with the pols power and the pols are in love with money.

            and what Glenn is saying is find common cause, cuz it's there. i can even see this in discussions on my facebook wall, where i have plenty of GOP, Dem, Green, and Libertarian friends...

            basically what you are promoting is the short game, the instant gratification, the short term gains; what Glenn is promoting is the long game for the health of the country as a whole down the road.

            The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. ~George Orwell

            by poligirl on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 04:06:02 PM PDT

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          •  The Info on Greenwald is useful (1+ / 0-)
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            But he himself has publicly denied being a Libertarian. So you are in the position of arguing that he is a secret Libertarian who is lying about it. That isn't a very strong argument.

            Still, it parallels arguing that the President is actually in the bag for GOP style austerity while publicly claiming otherwise. If one is legitimate it follows that the other must be as well.

            Hence, uprated to counter the H/R.

            Nothing human is alien to me.

            by WB Reeves on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 04:53:01 PM PDT

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