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  •  He gets in A in my book all around (12+ / 0-)

    He gets an A as a father, he gets an A as a politician (it takes guts, given that he could face a primary over this - and it certainly removes him from 2016 possibilities for President), and as an all around person an A.

    He's the most high profile elected Republican to vocally support gay marriage by far.

    23 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

    by wwmiv on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 07:39:54 AM PDT

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    •  Well, except for Dick Cheney. (4+ / 0-)
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      President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

      by askew on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 07:51:32 AM PDT

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      •  He's not currently elected (4+ / 0-)
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        And he's also not vocal about it either.

        23 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

        by wwmiv on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 07:58:03 AM PDT

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        •  It is too early to tell how vocal he will be eithe (4+ / 0-)
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          Given that it is a fresh announcement. It may never be brought up again.

        •  He didn't hide it or anything (3+ / 0-)
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          And it came up in the 2004 VP debate. I'd say Cheney counts.

          You don't fight the fights you can win. You fight the fights that need fighting. -President Andrew Sheppard (D-Wisconsin)

          by Gpack3 on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 09:04:47 AM PDT

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          •  ... (0+ / 0-)

            My comment specified "elected", he doesn't count.

            23 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

            by wwmiv on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 09:30:22 AM PDT

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            •  technically he was an elected official (0+ / 0-)

              when he did state his position, which does a lot better than what Whitman and Bono Mack did.

              But yeah he pretty much stayed in the sidelines, not really doing much till we had a fight for marriage equality in MD. I hope Portman actually now tries to push for marriage equality in his state.

              In fact, the occasional victory for the GOP cannot hide the fact that this country is fast heading into another era, not of two-party democracy, but a party-and-a-half system. And the GOP is the half a party- Larry Sabato

              by lordpet8 on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:35:41 AM PDT

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            •  VP's are elected (0+ / 0-)

              I'm not sure in what sense a vice president is not elected but a president is, unless you're making some point about the electoral college.

              You don't fight the fights you can win. You fight the fights that need fighting. -President Andrew Sheppard (D-Wisconsin)

              by Gpack3 on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 12:41:13 PM PDT

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                No. I'm saying that he isn't currently elected. My comment was specific to currently elected people. I don't know how many times I have to repeat that.

                23 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

                by wwmiv on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 12:44:07 PM PDT

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                •  Your initial comment was ambiguous (1+ / 0-)
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                  It is true he isn't currently elected, but it's also true that Cheney supported marriage equality in office (and even before he was a lame duck).

                  You don't fight the fights you can win. You fight the fights that need fighting. -President Andrew Sheppard (D-Wisconsin)

                  by Gpack3 on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 01:00:07 PM PDT

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                  •  Yes (3+ / 0-)
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                    But he was never particularly vocal about it, and did nothing to stop the Bush administration's craven posturing on the issue - neither, for that matter, did Mrs. Bush even though she was a supporter of marriage equality.

                    I apologize for not being as clear as I thought I was being. In retrospect, you're right. :) Sorry.

                    It also isn't my intention to be mean here, as it was pointed out a week-ish ago that I can often come across (or worse, actually am) incredibly touchy on gay issues.

                    23 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

                    by wwmiv on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 01:04:47 PM PDT

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                    •  No offense taken (1+ / 0-)
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                      When I saw what you were getting at, it made sense why you were being so insistent.

                      You don't fight the fights you can win. You fight the fights that need fighting. -President Andrew Sheppard (D-Wisconsin)

                      by Gpack3 on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 01:14:51 PM PDT

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