Skip to main content

View Diary: Here we go again. Ryan says Obamacare must be repealed (128 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  I would LOVE to see that, plus the Patriot Act (10+ / 0-)

    all get reset.  I do want health care for everyone, but by this point, if the states working on Single Payer can get things in place so the rest of the country can see how/that it works, we might not have to restart health reform all over again.

    Or, perhaps, we could reset everything back to the mid-point of Clinton's presidency?  That would even undo some of the Wall Street problems.  

    •  Hmm, the midpoint? (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      MPociask, ColoTim, DocGonzo

      To me, most of the damage was done in his first term.

      The second was just meaningless mush.  Although economic growth continued strongly throughout the entire period . .. .

      I'd like to see a reset to the Democratic Primaries for the 2000 election where Al Gore inexplicably made some really, really, really, really bad decisions (namely picking Karl Rove's good friend Donna Brazile as Campaign Manager and - worse yet - Joe Lieberman as running mate).

      Just what * was * he thinking?

      •  Lieberman was considered (0+ / 0-)

        a moral avatar at the time and was meant to counteract the Clinton taint ( no pun intended)

        •  Yes, I am full well aware of why he was (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          MPociask, bryduck, ColoTim

          chosen.

          And equally pissed off at the time (and it provides me no satisfaction that history has borne out my pissed off instinct).

          Seriously, if Gore considered himself to be so tainted by being part of the Clinton Administration, he should not have  run and doomed the country to 8 years of Bush 2 hell.

          •  That's the most interesting (3+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Roadbed Guy, ColoTim, FindingMyVoice

            take on Gore2000 that I have heard, actually. The problem, I think, is that if he didn't run then, "his time" would have been past and he might not have been able to take credit for any of his successes as VP. I think what really happened was that nobody in the upper reaches of Democraticville thought W had even a puncher's chance. His being a profoundly lazy and useless waste of oxygen and all.

            "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

            by bryduck on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:26:49 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Hmmm, they must have! (5+ / 0-)
              I think what really happened was that nobody in the upper reaches of Democraticville thought W had even a puncher's chance.
              Otherwise it is really, really difficult to explain a moronic choice for VP like Lieberman.

              But maybe the upper reaches of Democraticville just had majorily stuck it's head up it's ass, who knows - because the major thing I remember from that era was that even though W hadn't gone through the usual "pay your dues" route to GOP presidential nomination (think Dole in '96) they were so desperate to win that they were willing to nominate somebody like him (e.g., a likable "Compassionate Conservative) with broad perceived appeal beyond the RW crazies . ..

              •  But you also have to remember (3+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                ColoTim, viral, Roadbed Guy

                that back then, Lieberman wasn't who he turned out to be. Yes, he was a jerk who stuck it to Clinton, but then again, Clinton was not exactly God's gift to progressives, was he?
                We also have to remember that Gore won. Kinda, of course.

                "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                by bryduck on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:36:00 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Trying to stay positive here (2+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  bryduck, ColoTim

                  so I guess one could say that he * could * have done worse than picking Mr. Lieberman:

                  Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman was nominated for Vice President by voice vote. Lieberman became the first Jewish American ever to be chosen for this position by a major party. Other potential running-mates included;

                  Evan Bayh, U.S. senator from Indiana
                  Barbara Boxer, U.S. senator from California
                  John Edwards, U.S. senator from North Carolina
                  Dianne Feinstein, U.S. senator from California
                  Barbara Mikulski, U.S. senator from Maryland
                  Dick Gephardt, U.S. House Minority Leader from Missouri
                  Bob Graham, U.S. senator from Florida
                  Jim Hunt, Governor of North Carolina
                  John Kerry, U.S. senator from Massachusetts
                  Zell Miller, U.S. senator from Georgia
                  George Mitchell, former Senate Majority Leader from Maine
                  Sam Nunn, former U.S. senator from Georgia
                  Jeanne Shaheen, Governor of New Hampshire

                  but still - Barbara Boxer's on the list - the election wouldn't have even been close if he'd picked her.  What a chickenshit.

                  (blockquote is from wikipedia)

                  •  Maybe. (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    Roadbed Guy

                    You have to discover, somehow, if Gore comes as close as he did without Lieberman, given that the major reason to choose him was to compete in Florida. If he had taken office after winning Florida, mightn't we be just as thankful he picked Lieberman as we scorn him for the same reason in hindsight?

                    "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                    by bryduck on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:48:28 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  The "urban legend" reason why the election (1+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      ColoTim

                      was so close was that the Green Party was able to poach a goodly number of votes from the Dems because they were not progressive enough.

                      BB would have thwarted that meme. Big time.

                      Did Lieberman help in FL?  Turns out that he absolutely did not because he was THE MAJOR factor in torpedoing any aggressive recount pressure from the Gore Campaign.  Bottom line, he was a major clusterfuck from Square One.

                      •  Here's (1+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        ColoTim

                        a link for that:

                        If you thought we needed another reason to consider Joe Lieberman a wanker---there is this. I watched HBO's movie called Recount the other day and it reminded me once again about his painful appearance on Meet the Press where he gets scared out of doing what was right and does everything he can during the Florida election scandal in 2000 to get Bush elected
                        •  I'm talking about pre-election scandal, though. (0+ / 0-)

                          Do you have any substantive links showing evidence that he helped/hurt gain votes for Gore?

                          "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                          by bryduck on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 12:07:23 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

          •  He Didn't Doom It (0+ / 0-)

            I generally agree with you, especially about Brazile and Lieberman (and James Carville-Matalin). But Gore running didn't doom us to 8 years of Bush 2 hell. Gore won the 2000 election.

            But having Brazile and Carville doomed his inauguration. He's responsible, but they worked the mechanics of his concession, which was inevitable when he hired them.

            "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

            by DocGonzo on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:50:17 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  Just a random point for getting beyond W's term (0+ / 0-)

        I don't recall too much of what passed when in Clinton's term other than most of the financial deregulation passed at the end and the Republicans were in charge from 1994 onward.  If we could have a total do-over, I might choose even going back to before the healthcare debate and trying a different tactic.  I just wanted to get before the financial deregulation and every single one of W's actions.

    •  Why can't we (0+ / 0-)

      Go all the way, you know, Glass Steagle, 71% top tax rate, anti-monoply statutes, interest deductions on our taxes, commercial free cable, and Debit cards that are "just like cash"?

      The Job Killing Republican Party is directly responsible for the Great Bush Recession.

      by earthling1 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 01:06:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site