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  •  No. That's their tactic (6+ / 0-)

    for moving us rightward.  And it almost always works.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 12:52:29 PM PDT

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    •  Then how come there hasn't been a bargain? (4+ / 0-)

      The Overton window has shifted Obama a wee bit to George H.W. Bush's right, and the process has made Nixon look like a fire-breathing communist by comparison.  But if the end-game is getting Democrats to support a total shredding of the safety net, why won't Republicans take the bargain?  Obama has basically offered them the farm, including concessions that test the limits of where conservatives can go politically on entitlements, and they refuse to accept token revenue concessions that won't actually raise revenue.

      The point of using tactics like the Overton window should, in theory, be to effect more favorable policy outcomes by reframing the debate.  However, on entitlements, the Republicans have basically never forced a favorable policy outcome -- they always walk away from the negotiating table.

      Is it because they secretly know they've been too successful at pushing the Overton window?  Or because they don't think they've been successful enough?

      •  You read the article (0+ / 0-)

        Obama is still resisting on Medicare age increase and deep cuts to medicaid.  Now, if the GOP put real revenue on the table, I'm pretty sure Obama would give them those things to get the deal.  But, the GOP doesn't want to put real revenue on the table, only fake revenue like "loophole" closing.  Obama won't make that deal,...yet.  But, that is the deal the GOP is holding out for.  

        The time isn't right, yet.  I can see them getting it the next time there is a debt/fiscal/budget cliff that we're approaching.  Eventually, this deal is going to get done, and probably before the end of the year.  It's just too good of a deal for the GOP to continue to pass up.

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