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  •  I think it might be a gun control issue (11+ / 0-)

    Controls should include reasonable handling regulations, with associated fines, etc. for noncompliance - not just safety recommendations from a single class.

    If you store your firearm such as this without a trigger lock, safety ON, etc. you should expect to pay a penalty if caught (e.g., an accident occurs and turns out it was your mistake).

    Very glad nobody was harmed and hope your brother is rattled enough to update his gun management habits.

    "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

    by wader on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 05:24:59 PM PDT

    •  I'm sure my brother would agree. I don't (10+ / 0-)

      think anyone would be able to punish him more than he himself would had this turned out differently. It would have killed all of us in this family. But look: lots of things are dangerous--particularly cars and guns--and we have to consider both of these terrible tools that can kill at any second.

      “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

      by jeff in nyc on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 05:32:34 PM PDT

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      •  A car accident can still lead to charges (11+ / 0-)

        So, a gun accident should, as well.  Negligence in handling either can lead to disastrous results, as you mention.

        But, guns are meant to kill and/or hit a target - there should be even more standards on their use and care placed on the books, with punishments for associated violations, because of the fact that they are far too specific in their purpose to hit something a a primary function.

        I feel they should be looked as almost radioactive devices in the midst of humans: handle them for as little time as necessary and with full precautions EVERY SINGLE TIME.

        "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

        by wader on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 05:57:03 PM PDT

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        •  Well, typically if a gun discharge (4+ / 0-)
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          (accidental or not) hits a person that wasn't intended there are charges brought. Even when a civilian uses a gun legally to defend him or herself they're normally taken into custody anyway just to make sure, at least most police departments do that I believe (may vary by state, county, etc).

          Dick Cheney's gun accident was an outlier precisely because it revealed how above the law he was; any ordinary peon that did that would probably be in jail or litigation hell to this day.

          •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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            Beyond that, I still desire to see "accidents" cost something, too - even if nobody gets hurt.

            Ensure safety basics are embedded in regulations that can cost you, if you're caught being lax.  There have been various proposal attempts in the past for mandatory gun locks, etc. that have mostly failed to pass.  I say it's time to plug away at such needs on a constant basis until the public realizes there's no free ride with gun ownership and we can put some teeth into that notion.

            Let's ingrain this need for treating guns as highly radioactive, dangerous objects at all times.

            "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

            by wader on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:06:28 PM PDT

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            •  Well, the mandatory trigger locks are (2+ / 0-)
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              problematic for reasons I mentioned. A storage requirement might be good.

              But in the case described, it is hard to see how that would have been enforced, unless you have a Park Ranger assigned to follow every family in the forest, or get the kids to rat their dad out.

              And I don't think treating guns like magic talismans of evil Satan radioactive death boxes is a good idea, either; if anything the fear and mystique should be removed with comprehensive education of some sort.

              •  Nobody assumes 100% enforcement, I think that (1+ / 0-)
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                point doesn't fly well.

                There should be clear reminders in parks on gun handling regulations and penalties if caught thwarting them, though.  Every raised bit of awareness counts - as for any other regulation.  These would be no different.

                People speed on the highways all the time and are given tickets only when police decide to monitor a specific region, have pursuit vehicles ready, etc.

                Guns should be considered radioactive devices, not mystical objects.  As I mentioned, they should only be handled as long as necessary and always with full protection/safety procedures in place.

                People should be fearful of what guns can do, because that's all that guns are made to do and again, if there are well-publicized ramifications for even accidents that injure nobody, that can act as a constant reminder to stay frosty.

                "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

                by wader on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:00:38 PM PDT

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      •  Perhaps he would consider getting rid of them (9+ / 0-)

        Our friends had SeaDoos for their sons to play on.

        One night, they collided with each other, and Matthew ended up going to the hospital strapped to a backboard after the emergency responders scrambled down the rocks to the lake and fished him out.

        The SeaDoos were gone the next day.

        Matthew recovered completely, but his mother never really did.

      •  A bucket full on tears doesn't mean much if child (1+ / 0-)
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        is dead or maimed.  Shooter can feel as sorry as they want, but it won't bring the dead back to life or cure permanant damage.

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