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  •  While I agree with you and am an advocate (6+ / 0-)

    of gun control, I think that the real problem with the whole car argument is not so much that it's completely wrong it's that it's highly misleading.  The truth is that cars are VERY dangerous and people need to be far more careful in their handling of them.  The difference is that we, unfortunately, live in a society where by and large, you CANNOT live with out a car and so it is a risk that we must undertake.

    The same cannot be said for guns.  There is neither necessity nor upside.

    Ceterum censeo Factionem Republicanam esse delendam.

    by journeyman on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 06:22:25 PM PDT

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    •  The gun is much more unforgiving than a car. (6+ / 0-)

      Think of a kid driving a car. First, he needs a key to make it start. He could pull a stickshift out of gear and put the emergency brake down and get it to roll, but he's most likely going to do nothing but roll a little bit.

      A kid finds a loaded gun, it's natural to pick it up. He plays with it the way he's seen people use guns or even pretended to use guns himself, and with the motion of one finger, he can kill someone.

      One finger, one second with a car, it's highly unlike you're going to kill anyone.

      Confession time: When I'm not ranting about politics, I write romance novels

      by teresahill on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 06:37:48 PM PDT

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    •  Depends on where you live. (1+ / 0-)
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      In the super metropolis, with cabs and subways and buses and such it is easily possible to live without a car.

      In the burbs or in more sprawling regions, "no car" can mean "Barely Any Unprocessed Food" as refrigerated or frozen items may thaw too much for longer storage. Not to mention that "No Car" can also mean "No Savings" for buying in bulkier packages. You're highly less likely to fill the pantry with the cheaper-per-pound packages if you're looking at walking a mile carrying 70 pounds of groceries.

      Same with guns, in some ways.

      With a vigorous protective police force, and a healthy social structure, guns are not needed in an urban setting where there are no real natural threats to humans.

      Without that police force, or even with a vigorous police force that is no longer "protective" such as what we basically have now... Well... And we hardly have a healthy social structure considering this economic squeeze... Well... That's when a handgun can easily be needed in an urban environment.

      And it goes without saying that once people exit the urban setting for the suburbs and exurbs, the beastly nature of Nature comes back onto the stage. I've been quite happy I was carrying when I came upon a feral dog that had caught something and was eating it in some overgrown weeds just a few feet from the roadway along which I was walking, just in case it thought that I was going to take it's meal.

      You may deny it even in the face of such reasonable evidence, the same way some right wingers deny climate change even in the face of our reasonable evidence; that is your right. But the plain truth is that there is sometimes necessity for guns, and there is an upside.

      •  I'd like to live where I didn't need a car. (3+ / 0-)
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        I lived in such places for 11 years.  I loved it.  But I don't live in such a place now. More's the pity.

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        by journeyman on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:31:44 PM PDT

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      •  I think that's just ego babble-- rural folk and (2+ / 0-)
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        how they need their guns as tools and self defense. It's mostly a lot of rationalization and blowing smoke.

        •  I'm inclined to agree with you (2+ / 0-)
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          I live in a very rural area, with bears, coyotes, elk, deer, and possibly cougars (the "authorities" are just beginning to admit we have cougars).

          We have all kinds of snakes too, copperheads, water moccasins, rattlers...

          We have never had to have a gun for anything.

          Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

          by splashy on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 03:42:59 AM PDT

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          •  I hate snakes. (1+ / 0-)
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            I just hate 'em.

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            by journeyman on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 06:11:44 PM PDT

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            •  So sorry you have that feeling (0+ / 0-)

              I respect them, but don't hate them. I admire them for filling such an important niche in nature.

              In fact, we have found that killing the poisonous ones is self-defeating. Another one just moves in.

              We just take a long stick and harass them, so they go away from where we are  and they see us as invulnerable. They don't go far, and they are territorial so they keep the other ones away for us. They stay in their place, we stay in ours, and everyone is happy.

              The black snakes are very good for getting mice and other rodents that get into our home. The only problem is they don't eat very much, only abut once a month or so.

              Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

              by splashy on Wed Mar 13, 2013 at 11:06:40 AM PDT

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    •  Millions of people (2+ / 0-)
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      live without owning a car.

    •  We have also worked to make them safer (5+ / 0-)
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      Along with requiring insurance, registration, and a license to drive them.

      Can't say that about guns.

      Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

      by splashy on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 03:20:41 AM PDT

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    •  There's also the fact that (2+ / 0-)
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      we recognize the dangers of using cars, and have enacted lots of "car control" over the last fifty years, from requiring makers to make safer cars, banning unsafe ones (w/ grandfathering), and restricting how we use them (speed limits, seat belts, DUIs, and so on), even when we don't think we're being dangerous.

      The result is that the rate of car deaths has dropped to one-seventh what it was in 1950 (track the decline yourself).  The rate is about what it was in 1920.  And the absolute number is about what it was in 1950, when we had less than half the population we do now.  

      None of that came about without repeated intervention by our governments, in our name.   Car control worked, and we didn't even have to take anybody's cars.

      Contrast that with guns, where we pretend there isn't a problem and that they're not dangerous, out of fear that any solutions to our gun problem might infringe on our precious lifestyle.  We've gotten rid of gun control and sane gun laws, and many states have even promoted gun use with laws forbidding all sorts of places from restricting carry.  Result:  The number of annual gun deaths is actually going to surpass the number of annual car deaths by 2015, and it already has in several states.  

      Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

      by nominalize on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 08:05:17 AM PDT

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