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  •  Yes, but one would think that the particular (0+ / 0-)

    kid with the bad attitude, who is inclined to throw a test just because- would be doing the same thing at the beginning of the year and the end of the year.

    The strength of value added testing is that it eeps testing the same individual over and over.

    •  How is that a strength? (2+ / 0-)
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      If I'm to be judged on the basis of a student progressing, developing, moving ahead (which, by the way, unless a child is brain dead, he or she will do, because that is what children do - grow and develop intellectually, duh) and the kid makes no effort, the point is, it is no skin off his back.  But it'll cost me a pound of flesh.  How is that fair?

      The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

      by helfenburg on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 10:59:59 AM PDT

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    •  I dunno - kids have good days, kids (3+ / 0-)

      have bad days - it's probably a tossup for any particular kid on any particular day.

      As the numbers get larger, statistics start evening things out, but still - for an average class size a teacher's evaluation has an error of 35% for one year and 25% for three years worth of testing . .. . seems a tad large for making key career decisions about a person

    •  The kids aren't getting the same test twice (1+ / 0-)
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      Paul1a

      The comparison is between (say) April of 3rd grade with March of 4th grade.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 12:45:07 PM PDT

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      •  And makes zero effort on both of them? (0+ / 0-)

        The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

        by helfenburg on Wed Mar 13, 2013 at 03:32:22 AM PDT

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        •  Sometimes. (1+ / 0-)
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          The kids know it doesn't count against their grades, and some of them obviously make no effort on the exam and turn it in.

          One of the things I have noticed over the years is that all kids have a need to 'misbehave' somewhere, some how, ... and the sad thing is that for many of them the safest place to do that is at school, ie that home is not a safe place at all.

          But the bigger point is that even if the kid is getting a similar (but non zero) result on the two tests, that significant growth still has to occur because the tests are on different material. And for low performing kids, they can actually have made substantial growth that is below the point that is measured by the exams.

          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Wed Mar 13, 2013 at 08:36:52 AM PDT

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