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  •  The demographics are not that tight (3+ / 0-)
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    FloridaSNMOM, Mostel26, splashy

    They're comparing on race, free lunch, reduced lunch, no lunch subsidy. Sometimes they combine free and reduced lunch.

    The difference between free and reduced lunch is frequently the difference between being effectively homeless and having some sort of stable home.

    But there's no more specific data available to the system. For example, they don't have my daughter tied to our household income or her parents' educational levels.

    It's possible, and even likely, that in a school with multiple classrooms per grade, that even though the data might say that the demographics are similar, that you could walk in the classroom and see that the kids in one classroom have different challenges from the kids in another classroom.

    If you talk to any elementary teacher, even one or two disruptive kids can change the whole dynamic of a classroom and substantially retard the progress of that class.

    Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

    by elfling on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 12:37:32 PM PDT

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    •  Why is the disruptive kid allowed to damage the (0+ / 0-)

      education of 20 other students?  If the disruptive kid does not stop being disruptive, the kid needs to be put into a different class comprised of other disruptive kids, or placed into a classroom with a teacher skilled at managing disruptive students, or some other solution taken to stop damaging the education of the 20 other students.

      Getting performance measures in place that teachers and administrators use, puts incentives in place to fix educational problems rather than accept them - such as your case of disruptive kids.

      Perfect or near perfect measures are very rare in human activities.   The role of management is to use various imperfect measures and perceptions with professional judgement to make decisions.  So a principal should consider the nature of the students a teacher is assigned when making judgements about the teacher's abilities.  This gives better results than just assuming that seniority is the best available measure of ability.

      The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

      by nextstep on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 01:38:06 PM PDT

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      •  Then you're violating (2+ / 0-)
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        Abelia, splashy

        IDEA law and the Least Restrictive Environment inclusion. You can't just put all the disruptive students in one class or even just move them to special education. Sometimes you can, but not always. Plus there are many levels and reasons for disruptive.

        "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

        by FloridaSNMOM on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 03:25:26 PM PDT

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