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  •  Think about it. (0+ / 0-)

    If you have a class full of gifted kids and they don't learn at a gifted level, something is wrong.

    We gave her gold and she turned it into silver.

    When confronted with standardized tests, teachers in bad neighborhoods always complain (justifiably) that it's not fair to judge them -- their kids are unprepared and come from tough backgrounds.

    Well, shouldn't the same hold true for teachers with motivated, well-prepared kids?

    •  Have you looked at any actual tests or scores? (1+ / 0-)
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      Roadbed Guy

      I have kids in school and their MAP scores (tests that are given 3 times a year, so I have a good idea of their trendlines) look like a mountain range more than a steady measurement of their abilities.

      I'm pretty sure my 9 year old didn't go from single-digit to high-double-digit percentiles in one year because of the teaching. I have copies of his work and the thorough one-on-one evaluations of his language and math progress that his teachers did through his primary years. The issue is not that the teaching is uneven (it's not) or that my kid is stupid one day and brilliant the next (he's a bright boy but not a savant in either direction.) The problem is that the tests don't measure what a reasonable person looking at them would think they measure. (I think they measure how long it is until snack time and how appealing the playground looks outside the window, but that's just a theory)

      This is not an expert opinion, and MAP, while used for things like internal placement, is not used for teacher or school evaluation (yet, lord help us). It does take a f*ck of a lot of classroom time along with the weeklong test-fest of the state tests. And I'm pretty sure at this point they're all a giant waste of time and a HUGE waste of money.

      •  Unless, of course (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm pretty sure my 9 year old didn't go from single-digit to high-double-digit percentiles in one year because of the teaching
        Michelle Rhee happened to be his teacher . . . .
        her second and third years of teaching, Rhee team taught a combined class of the same students with another teacher.[9] She told The New York Times that those students had national standardized test scores that were initially at the 13th percentile but at the end of two years, the class was at grade level, with some students performing at the 90th percentile.[5]

        Now * that's * the type of teaching that needs to be awarded!!

    •  Yeah, that's why I said fire her sorry ass!! (0+ / 0-)

      and send the kids to one of your beloved charter schools.

      Where they'll soon be functioning at the bronze or perhaps tin or even cardboard level.

      But what the heck, the revenge aspect will sure feel good, won't it?

      •  Ok, so what do you need to see? (0+ / 0-)

        When Elizabeth Warren learned that bankers that admitted to laundering $100 mill in drug money did not go to jail, she asked regulators how much a bank would have to launder in order to face jail time.

        I'm gonna ask the same question.

        If we have a class of kids performing at 98% how low must they go before we decide that maybe the teacher should change her methodology?


        Remember, this is not one kid having a bad day. This is an average of 20 kids, which any statistician will tell you is pretty robust sample.

        HOW LOW CAN YOU GO before we agree on at least some accountability?

        Please answer with a number...

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