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  •  So you have proof that he was sexually abused (0+ / 0-)

    and tortured?  IIRC his father said he was being treated decently, not comfortable, not happy, wanted out.

    Are you aware that in a county jail a smartass comment can get you on suicide watch in a concrete cell with no mattress, no blanket, no toilet seat, no paper cup for water, in a paper gown, open at the back, no tie, bare ass hanging out when you sit on the combed concrete "bed"?

    This is SOP in this country, and is probably exactly what he experienced.  Is that why he's a heroic victim of torture, because if so there are hundreds of thousands just like him who deserve some outrage.  

    As for the rest of your response, you must have been talking to someone else, or you just don't read.  

    I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

    by I love OCD on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 02:11:46 PM PDT

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    •  No one disputes that prisoners in American jails (4+ / 0-)
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      are routinely abused in many ways. Revealing paper gowns are no doubt as endemic as you say. That's awful enough, but it isn't equivalent to forced total nudity. It's been well-reported that that's what Manning was forced to undergo. It's also been reliably reported, by Manning's lawyers for instance, that Manning identifies as a woman.

      Given that identity, forced nudity in front of male guards indeed constitutes sexual torture.

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 03:11:42 PM PDT

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      •  So what we're really talking about is a confused (0+ / 0-)

        young man, struggling with his gender identity, probably a complete misfit in the military, in trouble a lot, who chose to punish his abusers by embarrassing them publicly.  That's his perfect right.  Making him a hero is tough given what seem to be the facts.  Isn't it more meaningful to talk about the hell of being transgender and unable to fit in the culture he chose?  There's a disconnect to the whole story as presented.

        I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

        by I love OCD on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 08:08:49 PM PDT

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        •  Stop. Just stop. (3+ / 0-)
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          You are embarassing yourself here.  

          Before you type another comment, you need to go read the Manning/Lamo Chat Logs.  They leave absolutely no ambiguity about to Manning's motivation for releasing the documents.

          How can someone like yourself be so willing to comment on things that they know fuck all about?

          •  It's mostly to bring some outside (0+ / 0-)

            the box notions into the discussion.  Most commenters don't have deep background, they're repeating what someone said.  

            I supported OWS's initial work, bringing attention to income equality.  Then I asked where the fuck they were in 1968 when every woman in the country got funneled into pink collar low-pay jobs as SOP.  And why did it take middle-class white guys getting tased for anyone to get it that the cops are out of control.

            If Bradley Manning was a angry black man who took his info to the NYT would he get this kind of attention here?  

            If Sandy Hook was in inner city anywhere USA and the victims were POC would it still be a beacon for changing gun laws?

            If poor people are routinely abused in jails and prisons, stripped naked, left in concrete cells with no mattresses and bright lights 24 hours a day, no privacy, no toilet paper, no place to sit but bare-assed on roughened concrete, why isn't that torture we are outraged about?

            Special cases is my point.  If it happens to white guys who are educated, and have had their entitlement stripped away it's a big damn deal here.  What about my DFH brother who spent 2 years in a brig for deciding he wouldn't kill gooks and slopes?  That's why I'm being annoying as all hell every chance I get.  These are not people selected out for punishment and abuse, they're people we dont think should should suffer because (? ), while who knows how many others routinely live the same story.

            I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

            by I love OCD on Wed Mar 13, 2013 at 07:02:56 AM PDT

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    •  So you have proof (2+ / 0-)
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      that he's guilty.  You should notify the eff bee eye right away.

      So you have proof that he was suicidal?  And how exactly do you think they treat suicidal patients in psychiatry wards?  

      •  He admitted guilt, he took credit (0+ / 0-)

        for what he did.  All I'm saying is treat him like someone heroic and willing to pay the price, or as a woefully misunderstood person who needs some help with gender identity issues and problems with bucking authoritarian institutions.  If he was lashing out at the way he was treated, he's not a whistle-blower with a patriotic agenda.  If he's a patriot who wants transparency in foreign policy he made a choice knowing the price would be high.  I'm not sure how he can be heroic and pathetic victim at the same time.  Honor his sacrifice if you believe he's a hero.  It's particularly courageous as he's a soldier, knowing the consequences, knowing that brigs are hellholes and choosing to do what you believe is right.

        If I appear confused you'll have to blame it on the info I get here.  From outside sources it appears he had a mad on and wanted revenge.  From his family, he's a troubled young man.  From here, some weeks he's a courageous whistle-blower, some weeks a broken victim of a macho culture.  Maybe he's just a confused kid who made some bad choices and is paying a high price.  

        I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

        by I love OCD on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 07:56:11 PM PDT

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