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  •  Usually "black", if a generic term is needed (8+ / 0-)
    If a man of African decent is born in Canada, what do you call him?  African Canadian?
    but it's also common for Canadians to specify based on ethnic group or country of familial origin (e.g. "Bantu" or "Jamaican").

    "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

    by kyril on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 11:37:39 AM PDT

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    •  Just trying to make the point that (7+ / 0-)

      he is Canadian.  No need for African Canadian unless he happens to be from Africa or Jamaica or somewhere.

      We also refer to people as Irish or Italian if it is obvious by their physical features and their name gives them away but it is always a secondary description and they are American first and foremost.

      I just believe that by calling someone who has never been to Africa (and probably their parents or grandparents neither) African American, it makes them seem as if they are not "as" American as everyone else.

      I do not know of any other country in the world that calls someone born in their country by a name of another continent first and we do it with 'Mexican Americans" and "Asian Americans" but never "European Americans"  I guess it is supposed to imply (as Sara Palin would say) they are the "Real" Americans.

      "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

      by Buckeye Nut Schell on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 12:27:17 PM PDT

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      •  Brits do--at least the ones i've known have. (1+ / 0-)
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        although they usually know their country of origin since many are 2nd generation immigrants to the UK (Black is also an official census category there.)

        I'm not really understanding your objection. Rectifying the wrongs of the past won't happen by erasing where those people came from by dropping what you refer to as the labels.

        •  My objection is that we are identifying people... (0+ / 0-)

          by their skin color and assuming we know where they come from.  As a poster down thread said, his ancestry has been here since the 1700's.  At what point do they become just American?

          I absolutely agree that I will refer to someone anyway in which they want to be referred to out of respect for that person.  However, can you see my point that when you see someone with dark skin and assume they are African, it kind of suggests they are not American (or at least not entirely American)?

          Look how Republicans have used President Obama's heritage against him.  If Ted Cruz, the tea party darling from Texas, runs for President, he will not face the kind of scrutiny that President Obama has faced and he was actually born in Canada.  

          Africa brings to mind jungle, primative, wild, savage.  It fits with the image of monkees and cannibals.  That the only sophistication in Africa are the white men with big mustaches and big guns wearing khaki shorts and a hat.  I am not saying I agree with that image because I would love to go to Africa but the image is widely shared throughout this country from years of movies and television representation.

          If people want to be called African American then that is what I will call them but I will not assume that someone is from Africa because of their skin color.  If they speak American English and appear to be from America then I will assume they are all American until they tell me differently.

          "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

          by Buckeye Nut Schell on Wed Mar 13, 2013 at 04:33:34 AM PDT

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