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  •  Which would entail what exactly? (2+ / 0-)
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    Don midwest, Cliss

    Because other than the stuff I'm doing, not eating animal protein and not driving, the only other options require the government to act, and I really don't see that happening any time soon given the GOP lock on the house. There is no broad based proactive way to reduce demand without government action. What we can do is limit supply and make the shit more expensive.

    •  Not to be tiresome, but I'll point to California (5+ / 0-)
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      AoT, Cliss, NoMoreLies, Kestrel228, denise b

      it's what I know.  First, California has about the third per capita carbon emissions of many other states.  this is NOT because we drive less.  ;)


      states can enact energy efficiency standards for buidlings and appliances.  Also the DOE is authorized to create energy efficiency standards under various Energy Acts as well.  That means the President could ratchet those up so that you only have the option of buying efficienct appliances.  Buildings are under state building codes.  Of course, there's the fuel efficiency standards for cars, which Obama gets mad props for.  Also, California has recently enacted land use controls (effecitvely, but don't call them that or people get all funny) to reduce vehicle miles travelled (VMT).   If you want to get more exotic, regulatory agencies might be able to force mortgage origniators to include commuting costs in the mortgage calculations, making more remoe homes more expensive.

      I think the demand side really boils down a series of smart regulations at the state and federal levels can do a whole lot.  Did I mention that there's a THREE-FOLD difference between the most wasteful states and the most efficient Notice that framing in your letters to the editor, please.  the US could reduce it's national emissions by something like 12% just by adopting the California standards nationwide.  Did I also mention that that California economy is the one that is globally competitive on a basis other than low wages, anti-union laws?  

      In short, we can do a lot, if we decide to stop being ridiculously stupid at a national level.

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 03:09:07 PM PDT

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      •  I'm in California too (2+ / 0-)
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        Cliss, Kestrel228

        And we do a great job. There's plenty we could do at a national level.

        In short, we can do a lot, if we decide to stop being ridiculously stupid at a national level.
        And this here is the real problem. You and I both know this isn't going to happen in the next four years. If we're lucky the GOP will lose the house in 2016, but that's pretty much best case scenario at this point. We may be looking at 2020 or, god forbid, beyond that. That means nothing is going to happen at the national level, which means we have to start attacking supply as well.

        Of course, now that Jerry Brown is intent on proving he's business friendly here in CA we'll see what standards get gutted. I'm not expecting it to be a lot to do with carbon emissions, but I'm still crossing my fingers.

        What California can and should do is dump money into building solar cell factories. Shit, even bicycle and bus factories. Out manufacturing has been virtually completely destroyed and we haven't done anything about it. Expanding the manufacturing base of solar will bring down costs, which would be great.

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