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  •  I guess "belief" is the wrong word... (0+ / 0-)

    Atheism for me is an overarching narrative for "life, the universe and everything", that does not involve deities, but could (or not) involve other metaphysical ideas about consciousness (or not).  It is a guiding narrative for ones existence, as religion with deities can be a guiding narrative.

    That's my take at least!

    BTW... great comment and great discussion!

    Cooper Zale Los Angeles

    by leftyparent on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 08:21:26 AM PDT

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    •  But can you notice the difference between (0+ / 0-)

      these two statements:
      statement 1: "X is a belief in Y"
      statement 2: "X is compatible with believing in Y"
      They're not even close.  Atheism is NOT an "overarching narrative", and it is not a "guiding narrative".  It's nothing more than a rejection of one particular type of guiding narrative, that still leaves open others to choose from.

      The way you talk is a bit like saying "Not being a Republican makes you a Democrat."

      •  I'll have to ponder that one... (0+ / 0-)

        Thanks for laying out your argument.

        Okay... I take your point that atheism in and of itself is just the non-belief in deities.  I don't know about the whole "rejecting" thing.  Are theists "rejecting" atheism?  How can you reject something that you don't believe or intuit to exist.

        So I think based on your point that my overarching narrative is better stated as "humanism" (people on the right would put a "secular" in front of that, based on principles like, "There is no greater religion than service to mankind".  But I don't place any higher entities, like deities, in my cosmos.

        Cooper Zale Los Angeles

        by leftyparent on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 07:36:29 AM PDT

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        •  And that's the problem right there, in a big way: (0+ / 0-)

          You say this:
             "How can you reject something that you don't believe or intuit to exist."

          And my response is:
            Because they're synonymous.  Given the claim:

          "God exists"

             The following two statements are identical:

          "I don't believe God exists"
          "I reject your claim"

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