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  •  In other words, you don't actually (0+ / 0-)

    believe in them.  You just believe that other people believe in them.

    No wonder you're a fan of Karen Armstrong.  This deliberate obfuscation is her bread and butter.

    •  You're right I don't "believe" I "accept"... (0+ / 0-)

      that they place a deity in their overarching story of life, the universe and everything.  Their take on that deeper level that none of us can (or at least not been able) to define.

      Steven... I think you and I just need to agree to disagree.  I sense your passion for your position and you kind of push my buttons to defend mine, which does not really move dialog forward!

      You talk about me "pretending" and Armstrong "deliberately obfuscating" like we have some hidden agenda beyond being perhaps just naive or deluded.  Can you reveal more about our hidden agenda?

      Cooper Zale Los Angeles

      by leftyparent on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 07:29:21 AM PDT

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      •  Your agenda is to pretend there is less (0+ / 0-)

        disagreement than there actually is by pretending that statements religious people make in earnest are simply metaphorical (a metaphor for WHAT exactly?) when clearly they are not.  For them to be purely metaphorical that would have to mean the people claiming to believe in them know that they're not really true and are just stories to illustrate some point.  This does not describe the mindset of a religious person at ALL.

        If a person claims that Jesus didn't really do all that stuff in the bible and that prayers aren't really answered by an actual god, but that instead these things are just metaphors then that person would basically be an atheist who refuses to admit it.

        And when Armstrong pretends this is what religious people are doing, she's lying.

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