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  •  On abortion, probably. (29+ / 0-)

    On other religious topics, there is little to no discussion. Aside from the morning prayer and a whole heck of a lot of talk about the dangers of radical Islam, it's simply not present in any significant way (that I've seen so far.) Not even in the exhibit hall, where groups are much less constrained in what they put out.

    So if they're full-on theocrats, they're hiding it well. Not to say that some aren't, of course, but the Rand Paul crowd, which is largest, has little interest in it. They're about taxes, cutting government, and deregulation, period. If there's more to it, they're not speaking up about it. Even Paul's opposition to drone strikes barely registers, compared to the obsessive tax thing.

    I don't think the theocrat crowd is very welcome at this particular conference. That crowd might simply skew so much older as to travel in different circles; this more professional audience seems more focused on political ambition for the sake of political ambition, abstract movement building, and, ideologically, on the tax/deficit thing. Social issues of all stripes come in a very distant fourth or fifth.

    •  because cutting taxes & deregulation (8+ / 0-)

      have worked so well for us. yeah, that's the ticket.

    •  if you watch the theocrats there is confluence (5+ / 0-)

      between them and the tax cutters.  Recently someone on FoF radio opined that the Bible did not provide for taxes.  Taxes were what the Jews paid to their foreign invaders and conquerors, the Romans.  Therefore taxes were a Roman, or pagan invention.
      OTOH, the Jews depended upon donations to the Temple and personal charity to care for the indigent and needy and this was sufficient.  Therefore, every American should donate 10% of their income to the churches of their choice which would then distribute the funds, obviating the need for government to engage in charity.

      This is not correct, of course and churches have a very poor history of caring for the poor in modern times.  However it does show how the theocrats are trying to shift their theology to match the GOP economic proposals

      •  seems like a tough arguement to make (4+ / 0-)

        Paul says @ Romans 13:5-7:

        Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
        and besides that, I'm sure it is a tough pill for them to swallow that the bible declares governement workers to be God's servants.  They would like to believe governement employees are agents of Satan.
        •  which is the crux of their argument about birthism (1+ / 0-)
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          their argument is that Obama is an illegitimate authority or illegal government and therefore not qualifies to receive tax receipts.  They argue that Paul was referring to the tithes paid to the Temple and not to the Romans as the Romans were pagan invaders and hence not a legitimate government because pagans could never act as "God's servants".  The reference to God's servants proves Paul was referring to the Temple priests.

          I am in the middle of these folks and believe me, they can argue the Bible in enough confabulations and contortions to make it say whatever they want it to say.  (This is the KJV as few of these ministers actually read Koine Greek and even fewer Classical Hebrew or Literary Latin)

        •  Paul was a used savior salesman. (3+ / 0-)

          Courage is contagious. - Daniel Ellsberg

          by semiot on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 05:54:06 AM PDT

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    •  This seems to be many college-age Republicans (6+ / 0-)

      in a nutshell.

      ...this more professional audience seems more focused on political ambition for the sake of political ambition...
      This explains why they have no interest in actually governing or 'working across the aisle.'  It also explains why they can so easily switch their arguments when it is convenient to do so without missing a step--at the end of the day, there are no core values with this group.

      "Hate speech is a form of vandalism. It defaces the environment, and like a broken window, if left untended, signals to other hoodlums that the coast is clear to do more damage." -- Gregory Rodriguez

      by Naniboujou on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 04:46:28 AM PDT

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    •  Hunter (0+ / 0-)

      not sure if you've ever ventured over to (the libertarian version of DK) but a lot of posts/comments are informed and entertaining.  The youth of the libertarian/conservative movement is a bit more informed than the older "baggers".

      Food for thought, but many of these topics are discussed ad nauseum.  This is opposed to say, where it is bagger central and god reigns supreme.

      95% of all life forms that once existed on earth are now extinct. It is only a matter of time until the Republicans follow suit.

      by PRRedlin on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 05:06:59 AM PDT

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    •  The Money Men Are Pissed At The Theocrats (1+ / 0-)
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      They feel (probably correctly) that Talibornagain nonsense cost them a chance to flip the Senate, and they want revenge for every penny of further tax cuts and special favors they didn't get as a result.

      On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

      by stevemb on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 05:57:06 AM PDT

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