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  •  because the majority of nation agrees with CPC? (38+ / 0-)

    because the CPC budget makes economic sense and any current form of the Grand Bargain does not?

    because pursuing the Grand Bargain will cost the Democrats dearly in the 2014 elections the way the total mishandling of health care, reaching out to Republicans, and not forcing real filibusters hurt the Dems dearly in 2010?

    Pick any of those reasons Don.  Any ONE of those three reasons.

    OR to put it simply -

    Paul Krugman has a Nobel in economics, Mr. President.  You do not.  So maybe this time you should listen to him?

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 04:18:18 AM PDT

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    •  agree! economists have been saying this for years (10+ / 0-)

      i am trying to understand what is actually going on

      it was clear that a much bigger stimulus was needed right from the start, and what happened was to bail out the banks

      the financial games of the banksters have not been brought under control and the whole world economy could crash again from what they do

      so just on these 2 points: jobs and economy, Obama is not doing what many in economics and finance say should be done

      why not?

      a hypothesis is that the Shock Doctrine is being used to create confusion about what is happening

      the kind of confusion that has been used to shift wealth to the 1%

    •  Not the Nation. Only the Occupants. (0+ / 0-)

      The nation agrees with the Republicans.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 05:36:14 AM PDT

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      •  Does it? (8+ / 0-)

        I'd point to two pieces of evidence to suggest that I'm leaning to Ken's view on this one:

        1) Democrats have won 5 of the last 6 popular votes, hold the senate and got substantially more votes for the house than the Republicans.  Score this as a broad strokes nod in the liberal direction, rather than the conservative one.

        2) POlling on individual policies suggests that progressive positions are actually popular.  FOr example, the "ideal" income distribution is a very left leaning one.  (That's of course subject to the caveat that people aren't very well educated on what an income distribution actually means).

        Thoughts?  

        Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

        by Mindful Nature on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 07:01:02 AM PDT

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      •  Nope. The nation doesn't want cuts to Social (4+ / 0-)

        Security or Medicare or Medicaid. The nation doesn't want cuts to education. And the nation does want jobs.  A tax on Wall St also would not go amiss, according to the nation, which is currently pissed off at the bailouts and general assholish behavior of our betters who worship the Golden Bull.

        It's really a bad idea to buy into this particular kind of negative image of your fellow citizens. There's enough real negativity out there, granted, and you can always find some Teabagger to reinforce one's notion that Americans are either immoral, stupid, or insanely conservative. But this is the talking point that was used to justify the Third Way's existence and rise to power, and this is what continues to maintain them in power even after the Blue Dog caucus was halved by the eternal dictum that if Americans have the choice between a fake Republican or a real Republican, they'll choose the real one every time.  And it's not real. The crazy thing is, no matter what the polls say, people continue to assert this point as if it were still 1988 and everyone in love with Reagan conservatism. It isn't, and they're not.

        And speaking of Occupy, at its peak Occupy had a 45% approval rating--higher than any politician than the President, and running neck and neck with him. Higher than either party. Higher than any institution of government. Why? Because Occupy was saying things Americans believed in. It certainly wasn't for the tents, fights with cops, and hostile media coverage.

        The conservative America you imagine would never have supported Occupy to the tune of 45%.

        if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 08:27:47 AM PDT

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