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  •  Chained CPI is like Forced busing (3+ / 0-)

    Pelosi condescends to tell us that they will be helping the poor escape the CPI change.

    Now imagine how the Republicans are going to use that!  They will tell middle class seniors very truthfully that the Democrats are cutting their Social Security benefit every month for the rest of their lives to give it to the poor.  Democrats are buying the votes of immigrants with your hard earned Social Security.   Democrats are taking money away from your mother to give to someone else.  Democrats are taking money away from your grandmother to give it to someone else.

    If there is anything a swing votes fears about the Democratic Party it is that the money they earned will be taken to help someone who doesn't deserve it.  

    This plan which doesn't even pretend to touch the upper middle class or wealthy because it does nothing to the payroll tax cap will be seen for what it is, a transfer of earned benefits from the middle class to the poor.  

    •  I can't think of an easier (3+ / 0-)
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      Don midwest, tardis10, lostinamerica

      GOP pivot to make, and massive ad campaign to run against Democrats, than Democrats putting their hands all over cutting Social Security.

      It's a gift from the Gods.

      This is going to be the non-Movement Conservative equivalent, in terms of fallout, to George H.W. Bush's "Read my lips" broken promise.

      There is 2008 footage of Obama being interviewed swearing that he wouldn't do this. On raising the retirement age. On Chained CPI.

      Lee Atwater is dead, but he ain't that dead that the GOP can't figure out how to turn this into a rout for the ages.

      I am from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner wing of the Democratic Party

      by LeftHandedMan on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 07:25:59 AM PDT

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      •  And if Republicans could get smart (2+ / 0-)
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        LeftHandedMan, tardis10

        They'd figure out that if there's one place they can look to find some new voters it's with seniors.  Heck, Bush didn't touch Social Security in the end at all.  

        And if they convince American seniors that their money is SAFER being privatized than being left in the government pot where it can be STOLEN and given away to others then they've won the argument.  

        I mean your diary is so on point here.  The problem isn't the technical change in the CPI it is the fact that the Democratic Party is no longer committed to Social Security and Medicare.  I don't think we need Republicans to lie, I think it's the truth.  

        •  I really do believe (2+ / 0-)
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          greenbell, lostinamerica

          with all my heart that the Democrats who are pushing this have taken leave of their senses.

          You simply cannot undo this damage once it is done, it's bad policy AND bad politics, and the ads write themselves.

          Low-information voters are going to eat up the American Crossroads ads once they show up. The GOP as the defenders of Social Security from austerity Democratic Partyites?

          That's priceless to Karl Rove. It could add 10 to 20 years of relevance to a party that demographics would otherwise render a rump party.

          I am from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner wing of the Democratic Party

          by LeftHandedMan on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 07:51:12 AM PDT

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          •  better to assume dems acting rationally (1+ / 0-)
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            LeftHandedMan

            they know something that we don't know

            they are connected to something that we don't know

            better to assume rational action from where they stand

            from our position it is stupid, crazy

            but some how they are comfortable with what they are doing

            •  That's not a safe assumption (1+ / 0-)
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              LeftHandedMan

              We know for certain that Democratic representatives can be just as stupid, greedy, corrupt, and complicit as Republican ones can. And to me it looks like they're in a race to see who can rob the country blindest first.

              If it's
              Not your body,
              Then it's
              Not your choice
              And it's
              None of your damn business!

              by TheOtherMaven on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 01:49:16 PM PDT

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      •  Hear, hear, LHM. It would appear to be a (1+ / 0-)
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        LeftHandedMan

        'gift from the Gods.'

        I have this creeping suspicion and concern that that don't give a rat's patootie, either.

        And the only way that this could be, is if they have the intention to SO PLEASE the Pete Peterson's of the world (the One Percent) by accomplishing the evisceration of Social Security and Medicare, that they know they (the Democratic Party) will have the blessings and therefore, the money or funding from this crowd to infinity.

        So, to their minds, throwing the party base under the bus--no big deal!

        I hate to think this, but nothing else makes sense.

        I truly believe that we must be relentless in our pushback, or ALL of the Bowles-Simpson 'recommendations' may possibly be adopted by the end of this Administration's term.

        Heaven help us all, if Bowles and Simpson get their way.

        We wouldn't recognize this place in a decade or so, if they actually decide to totally impoverish millions and millions of seniors.

        This is all surreal.  And I expect that this little round over the Chained CPI is simply "a dress rehearsal" for the real deep cuts, yet to come.  I've never wanted to be wrong, more than now. ;-)

        Mollie

        "If a dog won’t come to you after having looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience.” -- Woodrow Wilson

        hiddennplainsight

        by musiccitymollie on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 10:20:55 AM PDT

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