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  •  How is this helpful? (0+ / 0-)

    48 incidents a day out of hundreds of millions of gun owners and firearms that did caused harm to no one.

    48 out of even 100,000,000 (low estimate of firearm owners in America) .00000048, is that really something that should be a priority issue?  In a year at that rate it is .0001752.

    It would save more lives to warn people about household poisons or mixing medications or pool safety and that is just accidents.  It would save more lives to even get schools out of promoting school sports and concentrate on education (two birds one stone if the educate about household poisons and mixing medications and pool safety with that time).

    This is supposed to be a reality based community correct - lets start prioritizing according to reality.  This has as much to do with reality as conservatives publishing all the crimes committed by gay people and saying we should use that to oppress gays.

    •  Something that strikes me (0+ / 0-)

      is how many accidents seem very preventable, in a CPSC kind of way. We have all these accidents attributed to cleaning and the like... this many accidents in nearly any other consumer product would be cause for action.

      For example, the recall and changes to designs for cribs and other baby bedding certainly didn't involve 48 incidents a day.

      The change to LATCH type car seats was expected to save the lives of fewer than 48 children a year.

      You might say then, that those regulations are overdone, but I think it's surprising how often guns are accidentally discharged, something that I didn't realize before. As I see it, one of two problems are in play: either certain kinds of guns are too difficult to use safely or certain people who can't behave responsibly around guns are getting them.

      Frankly, I'm surprised that more gun owners aren't concerned about accidental discharge. Or maybe they don't believe that the unfortunate party is telling the truth about what happened?

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 04:49:10 PM PDT

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      •  The thing is a lot of so called accidents (0+ / 0-)

        are actually the result  of negligence.  Very rare is the time the mechanical design or components fail, but the operator forgets or ignores one rules of safety.

        For example in the infamous video where the police officer is hosting a firearm class in front of grade schoolers he calmly states he is the "only one in the room trained enough to handle the firearm safely".  He then drops the magazine but doesn't clear the chamber.  He violates rule 1 (he treats it as unloaded). He violates rule 2 (he points it at his foot).  He violates rule 3 (his finger is on the trigger).  He ignores 4 because he isn't aiming at anything.

        That is negligence but it is likely its reported as an accident because it makes the police look bad.

        Like anything that is dangerous it must always be treated with respect.  Flammable liquids, cleaning chemicals, chemistry sets, electricity, firearms, and more - are fine so long as one follows safety rules and has respect for them.

        Accidental discharges thankfully have been becoming far far less common thanks to increased safety concentration in all places (at least one's I've been in.)  Of course there will always be those people who don't do proper maintenance and assume because it worked properly last year it will work properly this year.  Though I suppose that is a form if  negligence itself if not abandonment of responsibility.

        •  It seems like there is user interface fail (0+ / 0-)

          in many of these cases - for example, it shouldn't be easy to believe a loaded weapon is unloaded.

          One of the things that is striking is that even professionals make these kinds of mistakes - police officers, military, people who are in regular training and who should know and understand the rules cold.

          Imagine if your computer had three ports that all had the same connector, and that if you accidentally hooked up the wrong device to it through that port, that your computer would break and you'd lose all your data. Now, look at your computer and look at how all the different ports have different shaped connectors, that are keyed so you can't put them in upside down and completely short out your hard drive or your motherboard.

          You could say it's all on the user and the user should know not to plug the CRT into the hard drive bus, that they should always trace back the cables and know what they're doing. But that's not the reality, not even for smart, savvy people, who still get tired and careless over time. And it only takes one time to give someone a Really Bad Day.

          (There are similar examples from cars, medicine, aviation, you name it.)

          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 10:48:59 PM PDT

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          •  I work in IT so I've seen (0+ / 0-)

            and heard stories of people shoving usb devices into network ports (and worse). Common sense seems to vanish when humans interact with technology.

            It is becoming easier on newer firearms  of some types to tell if it is loaded, plastic mags are getting peep windows so you can see if the magazine is loaded even though you should remove the mag.  Handguns are increasingly coming with a chamber indicator that sticks out when a round is in the chamber.  None of this is an excuse for not both visually and physically inspecting the chamber whenever a firearm is passed to you.

            The lack of safety concerns in a professional environment means that their culture of safety is lacking.  Training especially ongoing and remedial training is often the first thing on the budgetary chopping block and it shouldn't be.  Without the entire organization placing an emphasis on safety and responsibility individuals who are not naturally inclined to be so will become lax and casual.  Just as the officer in the video I mentioned in my previous post - ignoring 3 of the 4 safe handling rules.

            However if proper safety protocols are followed it takes a few seconds to inspect the chamber visually and physically.

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