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  •  That makes no sense at all (0+ / 0-)

    We're dealing with the U.S. Senate, not the Presidency.  Ashley Judd is running for the Senate, not for president.  Therefore, she isn't governing the state.

    Also, no Demoratic nominee for president has actually campaigned in the state.

    When was the last time John Kerry and Barack Obama did much campaigning in Kentucky?  Obama didn't make a single trip to the state as a candidate in 2008 when he was nominated and didn't visit it even once in 2012.

    I don't think we're in a position to judge how well a Democratic nominee for president did in a state unless he/she has campaigned there.

    •  Those people that campaigned there and won (0+ / 0-)

      Are conservative Democrats. The presidential numbers are indicitive of how the national brand performs in a given state. The national Democratic brand is more liberal than can be competitive in Kentucky and Ashley Judd is to the left of that.

      "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

      by conspiracy on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 09:54:56 AM PDT

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      •  Ok but you need to re-read my comment (0+ / 0-)

        Again, Obama did not campaign in Kentucky.

        This is like saying I can't get people to buy my company's new brand of beer but that I actually haven't gone around to selling it to people or promoting it on my website.

        •  I understand what you're saying (0+ / 0-)

          I just disagree. Look, if nobody else runs I have no problem with Ashley Judd having a go. I just hope her interest doesn't push someone more viable from running like Secretary Grimes.

          "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

          by conspiracy on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 10:30:13 AM PDT

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          •  What's there to disagree about? (0+ / 0-)

            The point is, when has the national Democratic Party really focused on Kentucky?  Only with races it knows it can win.  That's only when the national DP pitches in.  They don't want to put money in races that are out of their reach so it doesn't matter who runs so long as they are winning or have potential to win.  Seriously, I thought we were all about advancing Democratic causes in addition to winning?

            So where has the outreach been in Kentucky?  Only at the state Democratic level it seems and I can understand why the Democratic Party in the state is getting a bit worried about an Ashley Judd candidacy.  But the more time they worry, the less they mount a candidate of their own, a strong enough alternative to Judd.  So far, that hasn't happened.  Also, no bit of evidence has been proven to me as of yet other than what these Democratic skeptics have told me.  People can give me as much skepticism as they want but I'm not going to be convinced out of anything if no one can prove to me anything.  So far, none of the Democrats cited in this article have given me one iota of evidence.  NONE.  It's all worries but worries don't equal facts.  I'd like to see real people in Kentucky all over the state on video talk about Ashley Judd.  Until that happens, I'm going to assume these Democrats in Kentucky are really going to shoot themselves in the foot over a really missed opportunity if they don't get behind a Democratic candidate soon enough or they can't mount a Democratic candidate of their own.

            I mean, really, why are we Democrats anyway?  I'm not in the Democratic Party just to win elections.  I want to make a difference but I also want to believe that Democrats go beyond just simply being self-centered and start to actually do the checks and balances and look at facts, rather than the GOP who seem hell bent on power and keeping their reputation on the line.  Is it such a big deal that we target states like Georgia, Missouri and others?  Of course!  Why?  We build the party.  We should also assess what residents of those "red" states are concerned about and and tie in our Democratic values in a practical way that can address what residents are looking for.  This is the same kind of process Howard Dean advocated when he ran in 2004.  Dean was all about electing Democrats everywhere, not just simply a certain number of areas.

            We don't just win, we make a difference.  If people in Kentucky can't be convinced Ashley Judd will make a difference, then that's what she'll need to deal with.  Political campaigns are all about communication and one false move, it creates a problem for the candidate because of You Tube and other technologies.

            What's so amazing is that Ashley Judd hasn't officially run yet and all the Kentucky Democratic Party seems to be talking about is why they are skeptical about Ashley Judd.  Judd this, Judd that, Judd this, Judd that?  Ok guys, I'm waiting for you to get off your frickin high horse and promote someone of your own.  Enough already!  She hasn't even officially announced!

            So the point of my diary is, what makes the Kentucky Democratic Party a party of Democrats?  Why are they REALLY Democrats?  Every Democratic Party differs by state to state depending on the issues citizens are concerned about.  However, if the issues of each citizen are universal in all 50 states, then all we need to worry about is communicating the appropriate way, the more inviting, less "you don't agree with me, I don't care."

            Goodness, Judd goes into African countries and other areas around the world and meets people who don't look at all into her politics.  They see her as someone who is actually caring and giving a damn.  The NY Times article that I pointed out confirms just that.  I just wish the Kentucky Democratic Party would stop whining and start firing up their base over a candidate, Ashley Judd or not.  

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