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  •  Oh please, it's not just men telling her she was (3+ / 0-)
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    full of it. I opened her diary hoping to get my hate on Microsoft and a stupid sexist jerk, but her story was an embarrassment. She unjustly insults the man in the first sentence she sends him and then is upset that he replied condescendingly to her. Reaping what you sow. Sauce goose gander.

    •  she didn't insult him. She was referring to being (25+ / 0-)

      someone who's work is all done on the software versus someone who doesn't use it so intensely.

      I find it ironic that her words are not given the best possible interpretation but his are. That, in and of itself, is part of a culture of misogyny.

      She informs him that she's a secretary, who uses the software intensely and he can't have the decency to simply say, "you have a point."

      He doesn't even respond the actual complaints she's making.

      He presumed a superiority because he's a vaunted Tech Writer and the emailer was just a secretary. His inability to actually read what she said and validate any points she makes, were all based in ego and patriarchy. We don't have to prove he knew her gender. (It's possible that her email address revealed it, though) We can gather, based on demonstrated society norms, that when he saw the word secretary, he viscerally responded as though the writer was email

      But, again..... women don't have to prove they have experienced mansplaining. It happens to us at such a relentless pace, and is so rarely affirmed with any solidarity, that picking apart the possibility that there might be some error in perception in this one case, when it is also highly possible that her intuition is correct, is just another aspect of perpetuating misogyny. If there is doubt, credit the male and discredit the female.

      Job well done.

      •  "as though the writer was female." (4+ / 0-)
        •  Same guy is uprating notblind's misogynistic (5+ / 0-)

          comments in the Steubenville rape diay. Two of a kind, I think.

          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 08:11:15 PM PDT

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          •  Not the same kind of "guy" (1+ / 0-)
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            1) I am female.
            2) I rec'd notblind's comment because it pointed out the flaw of the analogy. I had already rec'd the analogy because I thought it was a great point. I didn't take the response to mean that it was OK to rape a woman even if she drifted in and out of consciousness. I hope you reconsider your opinion of my being misogynistic. You did appreciate 2 of my comments in that diary enough to rec them.

            In this case, if her original email hadn't been so condescending and he still responded the way he did, I would be totally in her corner. It just seems to me that he is responding in kind. Well that and he is woefully clueless and dismissive about the software details she brings up.

            •  I didn't find her first email condescending (2+ / 0-)
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              toward the tech writer.
              I thought it was irritation at the softwear. And it was very slight.

            •  WIth a name like that who can tell. (1+ / 0-)
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              I just think it was interesting that you uprated him in TWO diaries in both of which his comments were very insulting to women.  

              Her email wasn't condescending.  She wanted answers to a question and didn't kiss his feet.  His review and his answers to her wee precisely the sort I've seen in tech forums where the writer is female and obviously not a an IT or hacker type.  They seem to think people who simply use the programs rather than write them are second class citizens. I've actually seen one little twit tell a user (whose name was definitely female) that if she couldn't understand his answers she should sellt he computer and stick to pen and paper.

              When she said she did "real work" she was right. Secretaries have to be pretty smart these days. Many of them have college degrees. They often end up doing a fair share of their boss's work. I know because I've been one, with two master's degrees.

              The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

              by irishwitch on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 09:41:58 AM PDT

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              •  I think she admitted to being condescending (0+ / 0-)

                in her first reply to me. She said that her first draft was worse. Too bad she didn't take another pass at editing it. I have experienced the type of sexism she claims this is. This guy might have even been a sexist jerk to her even if she had been polite in her first email. He might have been just as pompous responding to a man.

                I think she is acting like a girl who slaps a guy, then cries when he slaps her back.

      •  No, I am not giving his words the best possible (1+ / 0-)
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        interpretation. He was definitely condescending to her. Also his response did not address the contents of her mail well at all. But remember SHE contacted him first. She was condescending and insulting to him first. You reap what you sow. Her rudeness to him was uncalled for. His rudeness to her was a response to her rudeness. He was a moron to respond to her bait, but it's not like his condescension was unprompted. I still think she is a moron for getting upset when people respond to her in kind.

        And no, the genders are not really relevant here. She'd be just as stupid if she were male and the writer was female.

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