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    collect themselves is preferable to any kind of public prayer, and I say this as someone who makes their living in the Episcopal Church. Historical or not, this was clearly a sectarian prayer and out of place. I agree with Dibble. I quibble with Hall.

    Now, after reading this diary I did some quick searching on Hall's background. Several sites including one of his own campaign sites say that he is a "minister" but does not disclose his denominational background. It says he studied at Augsburg College, which is denominationally affiliated with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the country's largest Lutheran body and the "liberal" wing of Lutheranism in the US. It is not a seminary, however, and his biographical background does not indicate that he attended a Lutheran (or any other seminary) or possesses a Masters in Divinity, something which would be required for ordination in every mainstream Protestant denomination. So, my guess is that he's some kind of non-ordained (or non-formally educated) pastor of some evangelical stripe. His difficulty in reading what is essentially a long Collect belies his lack of formal training in ministry. Any ordained pastor or priest of a mainstream denomination would have been able to deliver that prayer with far more ease.

    Now, some research on the prayer tells us it was the first one delivered in the Continental Congress by Reverend Jacob Duché Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on September 7, 1774, at 9 o’clock a.m. Who is Jacob Duche? He was Rector of Christ Church, Philadelphia, which also happens to be the birthplace of the Episcopal Church in the United States after having broken with the Church of England and becoming an independent province. If you're Episcopalian, this prayer (which is a long Collect, a specific literary form some prayers take) is certainly interesting. However, clearly Hall is not, and neither is the majority of the Minnesota State Senate. Which is why the prayer is inappropriate there, just as it was in the Continental Congress (IMO). I would be very surprised if Hall could even tell you anything about Anglicanism. Anything accurate, that is.

    Hall is representative of the masses of conservative, evangelical and fundamentalist Christians in this country (the two are not synonymous) who love to appropriate the religious writings of the Founders' generation without any understanding whatsoever of the history and the theological underpinnings. In short, he's an ignorant provocateur out to get a reaction, which he got. It is difficult to take someone so clearly ignorant and so clearly hell-bent on creating controversy, seriously. Good for Scott Dibble.

    What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

    by commonmass on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 05:11:47 AM PDT

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