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  •  Whole lots here that doesn't gibe much w/history (3+ / 0-)
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    wilderness voice, Odysseus, FG

    India has long has commercial and military ties to the USSR/Russia so this deal is not going to push them together. They already are.

    China and India in contrast have long had rivalries and border disputes. they've fought at least one border war. A pipeline is not going to reverse that.

    Ditto Kasmir. India and Pakistan have fought what, four wars now? But all that bad blood is going to go away because of a pipeline? If it is actually built?

    Israel is not going to attack Iran. Full Stop. Stop believing the bluff.

    One things I do agree with. Yes, if the US were to invade Iran that would cause a drop in US favorability ratings. But the US is not going to invade Iran. Full stop,

    Another molehill described as a mountain. Panic does no one good.

    •  Many points there... (4+ / 0-)
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      carver, enhydra lutris, ffour, akze29

      If the pipeline is completed, China will get in on it. They're as energy starved as any country currently ascending in the region.

      I can't say for sure Russia will get in. I don't know what their natural gas supply situation is. But they could easily hook up to the pipeline once it's built if it makes sense to them economically. Plus they'd get to stick their finger in our eye by doing it.

      The project has been dubbed "The peace pipeline" in negotiations between all parties involved.

      An Israeli attack on Iran is not probable but it is possible. And you're a helluva lot more sure than I am about a U.S. attack, especially considering how the rhetoric has been in the amped-up stage lately.

      It all depends on how closely Obama is listening to it. But he's definitely feeling the heat, and his latest interview on the subject didn't sound peaceful to me.

      There's no panic coming from me. But I don't trust a single word coming out of Washington right now... from anybody.

      Read the Asian Times regularly.

      They do good work.

      "That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history." ~ Aldous Huxley

      by markthshark on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 09:47:15 AM PDT

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      •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

        China is going to build a pipeline through the Himalayans? Because they decide so? How are they going to do that w/o India's consent?

        Russia is going to build a pipeline through one or more of the former SSR-stans, then Afghanistan, then over the Hindu Kush mountain range into Pakistan, because Russia wants to?

        The project has been dubbed "The peace pipeline" in negotiations between all parties involved.
        The MX ICBM was dubbed the "Peacekeeper".
        An Israeli attack on Iran is not probable but it is possible.

        No. It's not.

        And you're a helluva lot more sure than I am about a U.S. attack, especially considering how the rhetoric has been in the amped-up stage lately.
        there has been no amping-up of language. This has not happened.

        Before we invaded Iraq, POTUS Bush 41 ran up many advance signals in the US press months and even more than year before the invasion. This was done to gradually build up the public to the idea of the invasion. A similar thing has never happened under POTUS Obama. not months ago and definitely not today. This has not happened.

        There's no panic coming from me
        This diary proves otherwise. It is panicky and uniformed.

        I've read the Asian Times before. If they do good work at times then they also do some poor work at times. But I am not commenting on the AT story. I am commenting on your diary here with includes info from the AT but also adds your own conclusions. And those conclusions are not realistic.

        •  Believe what you want.... (1+ / 0-)
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          zinger99

          Keep reading the U.S. media.

          Russia doesn't have to build their own pipeline. They can easily tap into Iran's natural gas reserves through shipping ports on the Caspian Sea, and may already doing so.

          (and I'd really love to see some examples of erroneous reporting coming out of the Asian Times)

          "That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history." ~ Aldous Huxley

          by markthshark on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 10:46:41 AM PDT

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          •  So that has noting to do with this pipeline (0+ / 0-)

            Which was of course my point.

            Keep reading the AT or any other paper and I am sure you'll read more. Unless AT is now hiring infallible deities to write it is just a matter of time. Up to you to recognize them as such of course.

            •  Now you're deliberately being obtuse... (1+ / 0-)
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              akze29

              You really don't think Russia is looking for ways to export more of their own natural gas? Ok.

              The Iran to India pipeline is a viable choice for Russia to move their natural gas to ports south. (through the Caspian sea and into the pipeline)

              "That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history." ~ Aldous Huxley

              by markthshark on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 11:04:28 AM PDT

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              •  No I am staying on yout original topic (0+ / 0-)

                You are now moving the goalposts all around.

                Does Russia want to export NG? Of course she does, and is.

                that has nothng to do with how Russia was dragged into this conversation. You said if the I-P-I pipeline is built, then Russia will decide to tap into it. You said China would decide to tap into it. Even though neither of those nations own the proposed I-P-I pipeline. Even though the I-P-I pipeline would be miles outside China's or Russia's control. Even though any of these three nations or any lying between could just say "no".

                the only reason Russia or China is mentioned in tis conversation is because you brought up some completely unrealistic claims regarding the I-P-I pipeline which (according to you) will be the catalyst for oh so very much.

                Whereas I see see it as a fairly straightforward example of a pragmatic regional project, fully understandable in and of itself and not in any way a sign the sky is about to fall.

        •  i think russia (0+ / 0-)

          would put a pipeline through the caspian to iran

      •  Why? They can get gas from Kazakhstan. (2+ / 0-)
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        6412093, Quicklund

        In fact, they are building pipelines from there already.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

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