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  •  War on Drugs? (2+ / 0-)
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    This case is about so many things, which have been hashed over endless here by some many people, but War on Drugs? That's stretching it. The main thing people are talking about now is the appropriateness of police behavior and who was responsible for what essentially was a "police riot." The connection to the War on Drugs is super-tenuous in the case, which presents a bunch of other, more obvious issues.

    Jon Husted is a dick.

    by anastasia p on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 08:44:36 AM PDT

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    •  Uh.... the war on drugs has given them huge (33+ / 0-)

      new powers over the years, it has enhanced their budgets wildly, it has given them a ton of new toys and has directly jacked them up into the paramilitary cowboys we see shooting the country up currently.

      Unsure how you can even begin to argue the war on drugs has nothing to do with this.....

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 08:58:59 AM PDT

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      •  Not everything is about the War on Drugs, though (2+ / 0-)
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        The chase began after a car pulled over for a turn signal violation drove away, and was later identified by several other officers driving at a high speed. Due to faltering communication, and the misimpression that the individuals were armed and fired a shot, the incident escalated until one-third of the police department had joined the chase.
        Sure, excessive enforcement of unfair drug laws has been a blight on our society for decades, but this incident reads like another police department gone hyper-steroidal when the prospect of a chase reared its ugly head.

        In this case, I haven't yet read that drugs were the trigger, nor that these police needed a history of busting people for drugs to go insane and gun for the traffic stop runner as if this was the Blues Brothers movie.

        "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

        by wader on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 09:36:34 AM PDT

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        •  Drugs are the Context (12+ / 0-)

          Regardess of whether these cops eventually say they "suspected drugs" or something, the Drug War is what has given them license, inspiration and equipment to behave like this.

          When so many police abuses cite made-up "drugs" as some kind of excuse, and practically all of them get let off, any given case of abuse doesn't need even a reference to drugs to be enabled by the Drug War. There's a war on, dontcha know, so no holds are barred - no matter what.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 10:14:40 AM PDT

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          •  It's just one blanket excuse (1+ / 0-)
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            They could cite anything, but this reads like a traffic stop for something else - then, the driver got spooked and started a chase.  If the police wanted to use a "drugs" cover story, I figure that would already be prominent in the early reports to the press.

            "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

            by wader on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 01:49:03 PM PDT

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            •  Prominent In Early Reports (0+ / 0-)

              This diary starts out quoting the article to which it linked:

              On November 30, 2012, what began as a routine police drug patrol in Cleveland, Ohio ended in an unauthorized 59-car police chase in which  137 shots were fired and two unarmed individuals were left dead.

              Which part of "drug patrol" doesn't connect this story to drugs?

              Go on pretending this isn't yet another Drug War story turned insanely lethal. That's required for keeping this suicidal Drug War.

              "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

              by DocGonzo on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 12:39:24 PM PDT

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              •  What kind of a complete jerk do you need to be (0+ / 0-)

                in order to assume that someone cannot accept that the War on Drugs is a Reagan-era money-making machine for private interests, but doesn't infiltrate every altercation to the same degree of depth?  You sanctimonious creep.

                This was police power gone crazy, as evidenced by the insane car chase against all protocols and even orders.  If it wasn't drugs causing them to stop the car in the first place, it would have been a turn signal or similar - that's what happened to one of my siblings, for example.

                Sheesh.

                "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

                by wader on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 05:08:48 PM PDT

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        •  Most plainclothes cops are brain washed (1+ / 0-)
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          to believe that they have to emulate the behavior of the many "tough cops" they have been watching in the movies for years. Even before Washington decided to fund the "war on drugs" Hollywood was casting all big city gangsters as drug dealers. Remember the hit movie "Superfly"? Hollywood discovered two new prototypes to automatically cast as hated villians for any big city crime movie, namely black pimps and black drug dealers.

          Entire generations of policemen have grown up with these stereotypes welded into their brain cells. If you are a white cop in any inner-city neighborhood and there are four or five black guys hanging around an empty lot or around a stoop, you just know that someone in the group has drugs on their person somewhere. Why? Simply because every movie or cop TV show script about the "hood" says that there must be dope there. Take the same scene and substitute white male actors for the black male actors and the idea that there is likely to be dope there vanishes from the realm of possibility. There may be beer there, but the presence of dope would never be suspected.

          Since the belief systems of these policemen have been likewise conditioned by Hollywood to expect any police encounter is likely to conclude with the usual high speed car chase and shootouts. Therefore the urban police are always primed and ready to spring into action as if they are on a movie set or TV lot. For some reason it has been written into their minds that the WORST outcome is when the police FAIL to apprehend the vehicle and the people they are chasing.  

          It yet amazes me that no one has suggested doing a study and profile of some these inner-city plainclothes police for the rather intuitive connection between their real-life responses to confrontational situations as compared to those scripted responses learned over the years from viewing  Hollywood movies or TV police stories. Remember Clint Eastwood's famous Dirty Harry line; "Come on, Make my day!"?  

      •  I still find it outrageous that in "drug cases" (4+ / 0-)

        the person arrested is considered guilty and has to prove innocence rather than the other way around.

        Confiscation of property, loss of home, vehicles, savings accounts, children's piggy banks, etc....all taken away and often sold before trial.

        If the person is by some chance proven innocent, it is up to them to try and regain their property.  

    •  Connection to Drugs is Tenuous (19+ / 0-)

      No, the connection to drugs is tenuous at best.

      The connection to the Drug War is obvious, as detailed in the diary. Without the Drug War, these cops aren't chasing down taillight suspects with dozens of cars and hundreds of bullets. Because the Drug War says if they claim drugs were suspected, they can do whatever they want. And the Drug War shows them that "real cops" want to do stupid stuff like this.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 10:10:59 AM PDT

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      •  I tend to agree. Just googled (2+ / 0-)
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        "Police riots history us", and got a whole shitload of very interesting stuff.  Lots of police riots, plus many citizen riots caused by stupid police actions, many with little or no connection to "drug wars".  But the militarization of the nation's police apparatus has amped a culture of over- reaction.

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