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  •  Half right. It is easier to co-opt the festival (10+ / 0-)

    and thereby to maybe increase the number of followers. However, like all else, this was done for profit and power, the true goals of most organized religions. In the, IMHO, rare case that the founder wasn't cynically perpetrating a fraud and a con-job in order to acquire power, profit and authority, then his or her movement soon would be co-opted by subsequent priests and sacerdotes for that purpose.

    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

    by enhydra lutris on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 10:10:42 AM PDT

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    •  Well, when it comes to the eary missionaries (2+ / 0-)
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      such a Padraic or Columba, this wouldn't seem accurate. Both of them operated well outside the protection of Christian authority and neither ended up particularly rich or powerful.

      The motives of the Chieftains and "Kings" that they converted are a different question.

      Your description fits Charlemagne to a tee though.

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 04:47:31 PM PDT

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      •  But they operated, all the same, under the (1+ / 0-)
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        pope, and it fits all of them since Constantine.

        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

        by enhydra lutris on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 07:33:59 PM PDT

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        •  Sure (2+ / 0-)
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          but what was the significance of that under the conditions that prevailed in the latter half of the 5th century A.D.? We don't have much in the way of a written record and the practical reach of the Pope's authority from Rome to Ireland would likely been severely limited. In a real sense Patrick would have been largely on his on.

          These considerations have even greater applicability to St. Columba in as much as he was active in the 6th century A.D. when conditions were, if anything, even more chaotic.

          It's a mistake to imagine that the church emerged from the collapse of Rome as a fully integrated, centralized organization, official church dogma not withstanding .

          Nothing human is alien to me.

          by WB Reeves on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 12:49:37 AM PDT

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