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  •  This, however, is a bug, not a feature (2+ / 0-)
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    Beastly Fool, gerrilea

    Yes, I realize how insidious the federal government is.  It tries to insert itself into nearly every facet of our lives.  Even very small federal contributions to a certain local service gives the feds regulatory control.

    Medicaid is a federal program.  Certain housing programs are federal.. that's fine.

    What I am talking about is attributing to the federal government services that are traditionally, and still mainly, functions of local governments - i.e. local road maintenance, police, fire protection, schools.  In most communities, these are funded 90% or more locally, and should remain so.

    •  Let's Get Some Things Straight (1+ / 0-)
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      Beastly Fool

      The average federal employee is doing a job as guided by Congress of political appointees from whatever administration is in office.  We do our best despite them, but have an obligation to follow their guidance. The media tends to forget this and then we Federal workers are identified as the problem and are thus called "insidious".  That's bullshit.

      Let's not confuse the good work done by the rank and file Federal employee with the often inept work of our elected officials and their political operatives, who I hope we can all agree, are at an all time low when it comes to effectiveness.

      This federal employee thanks you for your understanding.  I chose to pursue my career to serve the public, and I am proud of the good work that my colleagues do for all of us.  We do an awful lot nowadays with minimal staffing and very tight budgets.

      Those who don't like government should move to Somalia.  

      •  I had respect for your posting up until the last (0+ / 0-)


        It's not about "not liking government', it's the redundancy, waste and failure to accomplish goals.  Goals that should help every single American in some fashion.

        When we provide food stamps, housing and support for the most needy, it should go to them, without the bloat of bureaucracy.   You may "X" and the average wage is "Z", here's the difference.  Simple.

        Better yet, end our participation in NAFTA, GATT and the WTO and tax the hell out of any company that offshores jobs.  Put tariffs in place that raise the price of foreign manufactured products to fund these these "benefit" programs.

        We have to start making things again if we are to restore "the American Dream".

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 07:05:08 PM PDT

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        •  A thoughtful response, but (0+ / 0-)

          rife with generalizations and talking points--bloat, waste, failure...sure these things happen, but tarring government with these terms in a generalized fashion just keeps the meme that "government is bad" alive.  We need to reframe the conversation, because responses like yours are exactly what the John Birch Society Republicans want you to say.  

          •  What others want is immaterial to what I believe (2+ / 0-)
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            Bon Temps, andalusi

            I may from time to time agree with others on somethings however.  I come here to DK to share those similarities and often times, the differences.

            The muddying of the waters by equating my position to "the John Birch Society Republicans" isn't productive.  It shows a manipulation of "the conversation", very limiting one dimensional "reframing".  

            Our government is "bad".  As I've stated various times, there is no escaping this reality.  The war on whistleblowers, the racist war on drugs, the unfunded wars for the profits of Kellogg Brown and Root, Exxon Mobil et. al.  The crimes it enables and then hides, obfuscates and never prosecutes, ie torture, indefinite detention, the banker "bailout", the mortgage fraud, telecom immunity, congressional insider trading, etc.

            There are over 4 million government employees that I cannot hold accountable.  The crimes of our police are a big one for me.  The crimes of the board of elections is another. The crimes of the SEC yet another. The "parties" we have control what the "conversation" is to keep themselves in power.  Why didn't anyone during the Presidential Debates ask real questions?  Such as the crimes I've pointed out above?

            Recall during a Kerry speech a young college student was beaten and tazered and then arrested for asking him a real question.  Why do we allow those "free speech zones" again?  A Bush Crime Syndicate creation?  Why wasn't that criminal cabal prosecuted?  The Innocence Project, the ACLU and the Electronic Frontier Foundations are the only ones trying to hold our criminal government accountable.

            Can you not understand this?  Why does it take private citizen activists and their grass roots associations to get things corrected again?  Why?  This reveals how corrupt and "bad" our government has become.  The fact that we have to organize privately against it.

            We gave you guys a set of instructions, follow them.  When you don't, you should be prosecuted, removed from your position and never allowed to work for the government or make money from it, ever again.

            We once had the most effective and efficient government known to humanity.  One that helped Americans.  I want that back, thank you very much.

            The conversation needs to be how do we do this.  And the only way forward is to admit and face the problem, not deny and obfuscate it.  We should revisit the actual goal of why we created this government.  

            I do not want anyone else telling me what I can or cannot eat, grow or do.  I do want to know what it is I am eating.  If a product can hurt me, I want to know.  Let me decide if I will ingest it.  I don't want to be told to buy a for-profit service that does nothing for me.  I want a government that will hold my fellow Americans accountable when they inflict harm upon me or invade my rights to clean air, water and soil.  Not a government that says if you pay me, you can do whatever you want. And if you become "too big to fail", we'll take the money from the American people and perpetuate your fraud and crimes.

            We have real problems and maybe this posting will help you understand where many of us are coming from, those of us that call ourselves Progressive Democrats.

            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

            by gerrilea on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 06:39:25 AM PDT

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