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  •  you'd know better than I, but hasn't one of the (1+ / 0-)
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    proposed "solutions" over the years for Detroit's revenue woes been to make the entire Tri-County area (the suburbs) one big tax district, thereby using taxes from surrounding cities to fund services in Detroit proper?

    That hardly seems like a fair proposal.  That, too, would on some level be taxation without representation.

    Detroit's problems are so deep and intractable, I don't see any path forward besides bankruptcy.  And that will be one huge bankruptcy.  

    The city never really recovered from the riots of 1967, which opened the floodgates of White Flight to the surrounding suburbs north of 8 Mile Rd.  Then there were the desegregation/school busing attempts...and finally the election of Coleman Young.  

    When he made the remark in his inaugural speech...

    I issue a forward warning now to all dope pushers, to all ripoff artists, to all muggers: It's time to leave Detroit; hit Eight Mile Road.
    ...Black people in the city heard a promise to get tough on crime.  White people in the suburbs heard an invitation for inner city criminals to invade the suburbs.

    I think Chicago and NYC have overtaken Detroit, but for decades it has been the most segregated big city in the U.S.  I believe the population today is about 86% Black.

    Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

    by Keith930 on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 03:11:43 PM PDT

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    •  No, just a choice in how to parcel out state power (2+ / 0-)
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      The state is the sovereign entity here.  The state runs some subdivisions by itself (counties) and lets others (cities) run themselves.  Either way, it's ultimately the state that makes the rules.  

      There's no taxation without representation. Everyone's allowed to vote for the state officials that make the rules for organizing the political subdivisions.  It wouldn't be unfair at all to just run the entire state as a single "tax district" and equalize, for instance, school resources state-wide, instead of the fucked-up mishmash we have now.  Why should Grosse Pointe have awesome, highly-funded schools and Detroit have overcrowded under-financed schools?  People in both places pay the taxes.

      •  or at least 46% of them do.... n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

        by Keith930 on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 03:32:16 PM PDT

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      •  Can you name any aspiring state politician (2+ / 0-)
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        who has advocated such a single statewide tax district and subsequent equalization, and gotten elected?

        Serious question....I don't know.  Perhaps there has been.  Schools are one thing, but when you propose using taxes from Kalamazoo to pay for cops, trash collectors and city road crew in Detroit, I suspect that is a losing platform to run on.

        Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

        by Keith930 on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 03:37:24 PM PDT

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        •  People with better schools (0+ / 0-)

          now have a vested interest in keeping their little piece of the pie away from the hungry folk.  But that doesn't mean it's "undemocratic" for a state to NOT devolve its power to a city, or to reserve the right to fix a city's problems if the city demonstrates an inability to do so.  That's my point.

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            do you really think the governor and state house in MI is interested in truly fixing Detroit?  It apparently hasn't worked anywhere else but in one small community in southwest MI, which apparently was able to come out of needing an emergency financial manager.

            How is taking a hundred dollars worth of food from hungry kids or from old poor sick people equal to taking a hundred dollars from billionaires? -- howabout, 19 Dec 2012

            by billlaurelMD on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 05:32:18 PM PDT

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            •  If they're trying to destroy Detroit (0+ / 0-)

              Then Snyder made an odd pick, going with a Democrat who helped give the President one of his signature accomplishments (saving the auto industry).

              Ultimately, I don't know Snyder's motives.  Seems logical that it's a ploy to shore up reelection.  Right now, he's going to lose.  He has to do something.  If Detroit isn't fixed, it's not like Snyder's going to lose more votes from there.  He didn't get any last time to speak of.  And he can still claim that he's "doing something" about Detroit, for the dog-whistle crowd.

              And if Detroit does turn around, then he'll take the credit.  Maybe even pick up 10% of the Detroit vote and a lot of independents.  It's really win-win for him.

              I think self-preservation is more likely the explanation for the EM appointment than straight-up mustache-twirling evil.

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