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  •  The United State of We're All Dumb Fucks (7+ / 0-)

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 09:45:31 PM PDT

    •  very optomistic that Hunter found one (3+ / 0-)
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      young self identified conservative at a CPAC convention, right at the very end, who was willing to accept the scientific proof of climate change and "side with the Democrats there".

      If one in a dozen or even a hundred young conservatives is actually able to "side with the Democrats" on any issue that's a foot in the door.

      Most of those interviewed made it clear that they were more than happy to accept conservative dogma over facts to the point of rationalizing that the climate getting warmer globally would be a good thing where they live, or that free market forces could solve any problem so why not this one. One young man thought differently.

      For me climate change is probably the most important issue but if one young man can cut himself free from the cult programming then I can imagine a slippery slope that makes inroads into the war on women and a woman's right to choose.

      If he can "side with Democrats on climate change", then maybe he can side with them when it comes to a woman's right to say no and not be raped, as well as her right to say yes to have an abortion, or to make it a condition that she will only take jobs that have equal pay.

      I can imagine that if he can get that far then like Portman he could experience cognative dissonance when issues of marriage equality and  gay rights hit close to home. Our polarization has cracks appearing in the glaciers and the ice is melting.

      I find that one kids response gives me hope that someday soon the lingering racism, the fears of being overwhelmed by the changes coming, the concerns over a loss of identity with the expectation that "everybody thinks like I do" the individual sense of identity fixed in a homogeneous community being undermined by allowing the immigration of people with different languages, religions, and education may disappear.

      If that can happen then when people hear corporations speaking through their politicians to insist that collective bargaining deters job providers from providing jobs, maybe they can side with the Democrats there as well.

      Maybe we can get to where the right for everyone to be treated equally at the ballot box and not to have elected officials cast aside by appointed city managers doesn't seem so scary to conservatives because their thinking has changed to where they feel they are getting back an America in which "everybody thinks like I do" and supports the mediation of climate change.

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 02:48:39 AM PDT

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      •  The kid before the last one said it's overblown (2+ / 0-)
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        but we still have to do something about it. I was even a little cheered by that.

        I was leery clicking on this diuary. Please god, these are young people, let them not be stupid.
        They are mostly stupid.

        My college educated little (half) sister sent me some conspiracy email years ago about thew hoax of climate change, liberals were doing it to profit.
        A long complex explanation of that with many links I did not go to.

        So... two points with that. Smart, younger people can believe stupid things... and she likely thought by not fully exploring the many links she sent me I was refusing to educate myself. They think it is we who are being duped. "Their" experts tell them something else.

        And... the climate change side wants to profit? Really? All those sunshine and wind profits?

        I ask what we have to lose if this climate change is natural. What do we lose by finding cleaner, cheaper, more renewable forms of energy?

        The simplest clearest prrof of the mess is the analysis of the polar ice coress, melting rates, and the isotopes that clearly distinguish between man made and natural carbon...


      •  Hunter? (1+ / 0-)
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        Do you think Hunter made this video, did these interviews? There's others reporting from CPAC. In this case, the diarist is Mike Stark. (Mighta been smart to check who posted before giving credit.)

        Mark Twain: It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

        by Land of Enchantment on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 05:36:57 AM PDT

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