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  •  Still unpersuaded (1+ / 0-)
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    1) Was Iran violating a UN embargo? Apparently so. You might not like the embargo, but running it would still appear to be a violation of a clear, internationally enacted rule. At a bare minimum, the Iranians had to fully understand that they were performing an action that put their cargo at risk.

    2) Short of being threatened with war by either the U.S. or the U.N, Cyprus's government could have refused the weapons. For whatever reason the Cypriotes found persuasive, they didn't. Having agreed to accept the weapons, it became entirely their sovereign responsibility to store them safely. They failed to do that, and (almost literally) shot themselves in the foot. That's unfortunate, but blame there belongs entirely to the Cypriotes.

    •  Re: (4+ / 0-)

      So if you convince your friend to go to a dangerous neighborhood, and he does something stupid and gets himself killed, do you not take any responsibility? Just blame it all on him?

        That's pretty much the same situation (morally) you are describing.

      ¡Cállate o despertarás la izquierda! - protest sign in Spain

      by gjohnsit on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 11:58:03 AM PDT

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      •  Analogies (1+ / 0-)
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        Cyprus is a nation, not a person, an ally, not a friend.  Allies are people who act together out of self-interest, not out of altruistic friendship. If Cyprus had done its job of storage properly, there would have been no explosion. So yeah, no one beside the Cypriotes bears any moral responsibility for that event and its consequences.

      •  Actually, it would be more like (1+ / 0-)
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        You ask your friend to keep your guns and ammo for you, and he puts the ammo in the basement, right on top of the hot water heater.

        Is it your fault when his house gets shot full of holes and then burns down?

    •  Re: +2 (0+ / 0-)

      As for Iran somehow being responsible, I have two problems with that:
      1) Claiming that they are responsible when the cargo they paid for was stolen from them, is like claiming a hit-and-run is the responsibility of the guy who owns the car after it was stolen.
      2) Even if you ignore my first point, you would still have to place equal blame on the party that sold the weapons to Iran.

      ¡Cállate o despertarás la izquierda! - protest sign in Spain

      by gjohnsit on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 05:58:14 PM PDT

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