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  •  Respectfully, that is not unusual. Many changes (1+ / 0-)
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    to our social insurance programs have shielded those actually already participating in the program, and those so close to retirement that they could not reasonably be expected to "make up" for the changes.

    Changes to these programs are often tiered, if by that you mean that they have a beginning date.  Many changes that the President has proposed to Medicare have beginning dates.

    I don't have time to check on them now, but to the best of my recollection, some of the deeper cuts to beneficiaries that he's proposing (expanding the means testing of Medicare beneficiaries, and also implementing major changes that will make Medigap insurance considerably more expensive, including a new premium surcharge) begin at specific dates in the future.  (2017 seems to come to mind, but don't take it to the bank.)  I'll check it out when his new budget is released, in case of any changes.

    And current folks (and/or those who will sign up for Medicare BEFORE this date) will be exempted from those new rules.

    Case in point.  My parents' Medicare benefits were not the same as Mr. Mollie's parents.

    I assume the difference was changes in the Medicare law.  You see, my parents were a generation older (i.e., old enough to be my grandparents--and Mr. Mollie and I are the same age) than my inlaws.

    We were also surprised at the changes in Medicaid, regarding theraphy, etc.  We found those differences when we dealt with our two sets of parents, over a period of twenty years.

    So, respectfully, that's a notion that we'll all have to accept to some degree.  ;-)


    "If a dog won’t come to you after having looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience.” -- Woodrow Wilson


    by musiccitymollie on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 03:40:27 PM PDT

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      testing is completely different that the actual age requirement.  You raise the age for one reason only.  So they will not have to pay any amount for millions of people.  This isn't cutting an amount, this is complete cut when you consider Medicare.  That makes millions of people have to pay for alternative private insurance or go without.  In essence, screw you.

      Even with Social Security you could perhaps work around how your earnings will be calculated, try to work longer if you can at least have enough time to try to prepare for these douchebags to make sure you fully qualify for foodstamps and get on the waiting list for Section 8 or something.

      For one or two years they want to just cut people off.  If they are lucky they can gut it enough so even the disabled will not get the basic healthcare they need.

      But like Mitt Romney said, in ten years if millions are sitting around in their apartments and have a heart attack, someone will take you to ER for treatment.  ERs will really excel at treating chronic illnesses.

      Sorry about this, but tiered, age limits, even means testing is still a way for them to gut these basic programs.  We shouldn't get used to the idea.  We should be pissed they even bring this shit up.  Especially, if they the other side doesn't want to discuss basic immoral tax giveaways for billion dollar oil companies or a basic minimum tax for income as well as investment income.  
      The fucking gall that these people have is complete wrong.  They have moved the overton window.  When they raised full retirement to 67, that was horrible.  

      But at lease a good deal of these people now had decades of a booming economy, solid unions, and wealth distribution was not jaw droppingly shocking.

      The window has been moved so much that even I think the 1% will make sure that I won't ever qualify for Social Security or Medicare in 30 years.

      I would move back to Germany but they are as fucked as we are now.

      Sorry.  Just this entire "entitlement reform" bullshit is pretty fucking low.

      The real reason they say it won't effect the people receiving benefits now is because older white people love these programs because they actually fucking do a pretty damn good job of keeping millions off the street.  And they vote Republican.  And show up a Tea Party functions with the "Keep Government out of Medicare" signs.

      In ten years most of these dicks will have moved on to become "consultants" for the private firms they directed those billions/trillions of dollars to.

      And the GOP will be fucked in 10 years anyway considering the changing demographics of our country.

      •  The promise of Social Security (1+ / 0-)
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        For future generations is that your parents won't come starve to death on your doorstep as was the custom with the Irish and their landlords during the potato famine, or otherwise pressure you into having to help them out, take them into your home, buy them a place in a retirement home, pay their mortgage or rent or heating bills, or constantly worry about how your parents are doing, so that you can get on with your life.

        People who have worked all their lives and payed into an insurance program that promises to secure their retirement should be able to expect that their insurance will be adjusted for the cost of living in a way that allows them and you not to have to depend on a pension, or an IRA, or other safety nets to pay for their basic needs.

        Your elderly should not have to worry about where their next meal is coming from or choose between food, clothing, or shelter. For that matter they shouldn't have to curtail their medication, transportation, communications, or healthcare in order to survive in misery.

        People on Social Security should have access to continuing education, things to keep their hands and minds active and the maintenance of all the things they need to have a non warehoused quality of life.

        The richest country on earth has broken that promise because the lobbyists in charge of our politicians  campaign contributions feel its more important  to enhance the tax breaks to the millionaires and billionaires that pay their salaries than to be concerned about contracts and entitlements. The solution, make lobbying illegal.

        Its the same system that leads to banks getting bailed out with no thought of the simple solution of  keeping people in their homes with moratoriums on their mortgage payments until the economy recovers.  

        Its the same system that leads to golden parachutes, multi million dollar bonuses and tax breaks for the bankers who bent the rules to allow them to turn wall street into vegas.

        We all loath the Snidely Whiplash Republican schemes the Paul Ryan budgets are full of but if we want to get rid of them we need to get rid of the lobbyists

        That said I'm willing to accept that despite being mind warpingly rich our country can't afford to invest in everything it wants to invest in.

        Perhaps the USA must get to a balanced budget by making the hard decision that it can't afford to spend hundreds of billions every year on the military making Iraq and Afghanistan secure places to build pipelines to bring oil from the Caspian to Europe and Asia and the straits of Hormoz and the Bab al Mandab secure places for oil tankers to pass through loaded with oil for China.

        Keep the promise to the elderly, the poor, the sick and disabled homeless veterans first, then maintain and repair our rotting urban infrastructure, our roads and bridges, our mass transit, water treatment, sewage treatment, then worry about being the world's sheriff.

        Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

        by rktect on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 06:23:54 AM PDT

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          are excellent points.  And to be honest, this should be an update to your diary.  But you have a problem here.  If you start to negotiate and work with Republicans like Obama wants to, we will get screwed.  Because the lobbyists and big business run the show.

          If anything the Tea Party's chaos has really saved us from any sort of Grand Bargain in which Obama has put entitlements on the table.  

          I say we wait them out.  We continue building our base.  We work on State Races.  We work on turning Texas Blue.  Because in order to do anything serious we need more solid Blue State Senators.  We work on having a solid Blue State Senator as Minority leader.  Reid does us no good in his position.  In 10 years we will be able to take back the House.

          In the next four years we need a solid liberal Democratic President.  HRC is okay, but why not try for better?  Elizabeth Warren?  A fighter.

          We have to lay the ground work.  Taking care of our the poor, seniors, disabled is the minimum.

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