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  •  Well, AA *turnout* increased for Obama (3+ / 0-)
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    but the percentage actually voting for him didn't change all that much (heck, when it's already at 98%, there's not  * that * much room for improvement!)

    •  ? (0+ / 0-)

      Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
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      by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 09:24:59 AM PDT

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      •  What exactly is your question? (0+ / 0-)

        I really need more to go on than that.

        •  I'm not seeing (1+ / 0-)
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          a connection between your answer and my comment or between your answer and the diary

          Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
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          by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 09:40:59 AM PDT

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          •  You said you were dispelling the notion (0+ / 0-)

            that blacks voted for Obama because he was black.

            Clearly, many blacks * did * vote for Obama because he was black.  Otherwise they would have stayed home and not voted at all.

            Seriously, Google is your friend here - it is undisputable that in both 2008 and 2012 the participation of African Americans in the presidential levels was much higher than statistical norms - and why?  so they could vote for Obama - and again that is clearly not because his policies benefit them more than other recent (or historical) Democratic politicians, it is because he is black.

            •  IMO the central point of the diary is different (0+ / 0-)

              the point of the diary, and of my comment, is that every now and then conservatives think they can run a black candidate and win just because the candidate is black.

              but this has been proven untrue over and over again.

              I have no fears about a Ben Carson candidacy, because I give voters in general and black voters in particular more credit than that.

              your authoritative google research does not prove that the ONLY reason they voted for Obama was because he was black.  in fact it makes more sense to assume that a black Republicon candidate, or a black candidate whose views were not beneficial to the community, would have received fewer votes, since other similiarly situated candidates have lost.

              If Rs had been fortunate enough to have had the FIRST black presidential candidate, it would have been a better test of the hypothesis.  If Colin Powell, or Ben Carson, or someone else had gotten the R nomination before the Obama presidency, it's possible that some black people would have voted for a black republicon just to try to make history.  But I don't think such a candidate would have gotten Obama level votes from blacks, nor do I think such a candidate would have won.  That's just my well considered opinion.

              Rs run women candidates thinking female voters will vote for any female candidate, and it often does not work.  Rs run black candidates thinking black voters will vote for any black candidate, and it often does not work.

              The actual experiences of Lynn Swann, Michael Steele and Alan Keyes and a lot of others are my evidence.  The small number of black Republican officeholders as compared to the candidates they run is my evidence.     Neither you nor google can refute that.

              Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
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              by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 10:28:22 AM PDT

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              •  I don't disagree with any of that (0+ / 0-)

                my point is more that none of that is relevant to the title of your diary, which is focused on why blacks (might have) voted for Obama.

                Ben Cardin - (apparently) being a Republican - is completely immaterial to why African Americans voted for Obama - which the evidence seems to suggest depend on two things:

                1) African Americans overwhelming vote for Democrats, but usually with very little enthusiasm (i.e., as evidenced by their turnout lagging white voters).

                2) In the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections, African American turnout exceeded all historical norms, and in 2012 actually exceeded that of white people.   Overall this netted Mr. Obama two or three million votes more than he would have gotten if he were a white Democratic candidate and in some states (e.g, Virginia) was the deciding margin in Obama beating Romney.

                The evidence is quite clear that a few million African Americans did get off their asses and get out an vote for  Obama because he/they are black.

                But again, that has absolutely nothing to to with Ben Carson or any other African American who opts to run as a Republican . ..

            •  Or they voted for "O" cause they were black (0+ / 0-)

              ...... Social Security blogathon March 25th thru March 29th. #HandsOffmySS FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

              by Roger Fox on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 10:37:00 AM PDT

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              •  The evidence suggests that several million (0+ / 0-)

                African Americans did exactly that.

                Which is immaterial to the Ben Carson situation, because if a Black Democratic candidate had not been running they simply would have stayed at home.

                The point being that neither "black" or "democrat" by themselves is sufficient to get this demographic to turn out, but if you put them together, it is.

                So unless Dr. Carson runs as a Democrat, that magically combination will not occur and everybody can rest easy . ..

            •  It does make sense - (0+ / 0-)

              - that a black voter might think that a black president could be more understanding about issues that are important to black people than a white president.  Particularly true once the candidates, both black and white, make their views on issues known.

              But at the same time, it is clear that if Alan Keyes (a black Republican) was running against a white Democrat (say Al Gore), don'tcha think more black voters would side with the Democrat - simply because that candidate could be more understanding of issues pertaining to African Americans?

              And am I wrong to assume that for every African American who voted for Obama because he was black there had to be at least three white voters who voted for Romney because he wasn't the black guy?  

              If so, then why all the attention to blacks voting for blacks?

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