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  •  Defend themselves in court. Not defend themselves (6+ / 0-)

    in a gunfight.  I know you didn't mean that, but other readers may not be so discerning.

    •  Sorry. Thought that one was pretty clear :) (5+ / 0-)

      A friend of mine surrendered his guns in response to a TRO as soon as he was served.  

      When they went to court, the Judge issued a one year restraining order against both parties.  The Judge ordered his firearms returned if he didn't violate the order in any way for three months, because there simply was no claim of violence or threats of violence.  His Ex repeatedly said she was afraid of him, but when asked point blank if she was afraid he would hurt her physically she told the judge "no".  

      Sadly, this really all boiled down to two people highly active in the same club who refused to behave like adults after a very painful breakup involving a lot of infidelity.  Both of them acted like dysfunctional 12 year olds and continued to "flaunt" new partners at events, took turns sitting right next to each other making out with someone else, ect ect.  

      In the short term, it's better to be safe than sorry.  The burden for getting a TRO should be very, very light and the privilege of owning a firearm and even the freedom of movement should be restricted.

      Unfortunately, people really do sometimes try to use the courts for petty grievances, and many judges feel that denying any petition is a risk they don't want to take.

      income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

      by JesseCW on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 02:32:45 PM PDT

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      •  That sounds like the courts working - to (8+ / 0-)

        prevent violence, to provide a cooling off period, and for restoration of his RKBA if there was no threat of using them on her.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 02:44:16 PM PDT

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        •  Absolutely. It was a good, fair judge. (6+ / 0-)

          If it was going to be over a year, though, a person should have the chance to request a jury trial.

          Not everyone gets a fair judge.

          income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

          by JesseCW on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 02:52:41 PM PDT

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          •  I think I read about a similar deal recently. (2+ / 0-)
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            It may have even been with the jerk in Colorado Springs who threatened to murder a Colorado state legislator from Aurora, whose district includes the movie theater and whose son had been killed with a gun some time previously.  I think he had to surrender his guns for a year, with the same stipulation.

            I do allow that I might be confusing this with another situation.  

            I am not a gun owner and I firmly believe in the well-regulated portion of the 2nd Amendment so I see no problem with restricting ownership for a period of time for a cooling off.

            •  I am a gun owner and I firmly believe (6+ / 0-)

              in the well-regulated portion of the 2nd Amendment.

              People who threaten to murder folks should be found guilty of a felony and lose their right to own firearms.

              I neglected to mention that the friend in question turned in a dozen black-powder weapons that the Sheriff  didn't really want.  He just wanted to make sure his bases were covered, but they kept telling him "antique weapons don't count"....although it said nothing of the kind on the TRO they served him.

              Me, I just kind of feel a person under a TRO shouldn't have a cap and ball revolver either.

              income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

              by JesseCW on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 03:17:45 PM PDT

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