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  •  I think the change referred to (1+ / 0-)
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    is from a position of engaging to find a solution to an official policy of "Meh.  Whatevs."

    Mostly the sense that I get is that Americans largely just don't give a crap anymore about this issue.

    (oh, and next time someone trots out the "undue influence of AIPAC"  just ask them what they expect Washington to do on a policy that has a 55% - 9% split in polling.  Obviously, Washington's attitudes completely reflect America's wider attitudes.)

    Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

    by Mindful Nature on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 11:40:00 AM PDT

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    •  On AIPAC (11+ / 0-)

      They also do a lot of PR stuff, and have for years, and that definitely has an effect on opinions.

      Mostly the sense that I get is that Americans largely just don't give a crap anymore about this issue.
      That and the entirely understandable belief that we aren't actually able to do anything given our position. Most Americans only want peace in the most abstract sense of not wanting to hear about more people dying. As long as Israel can stop killing Palestinians in large numbers and just slowly expand then the US public won't notice or really care.

      Despite what pro-Israel folks want to say here, there is a continuing ethnic cleansing and it will most likely be successful. There will be a one state solution, and it won't be pretty getting there.

      •  well yes (3+ / 0-)
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        I don't see how we get to any other result other than an ethnically cleansed one state and millions of permanently displaced people.  

        Certainly, we can't underestimate the potency of American racism, though.  

        Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

        by Mindful Nature on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 12:06:14 PM PDT

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        •  I think that racism is a huge reason (2+ / 0-)
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          for support of Israel on the right. They have all kinds of rhetoric around it, but when they're putting up bus ads about the Palestinians being "savages" then it becomes pretty clear. I think there is an affect across the board though that goes beyond just racism. The representatives of Israel the we see on TV, etc. all look pretty white and, most importantly, speak without much of an accent. Whereas the Palestinians who are shown on TV are generally angry protesters, mourning victims, or people with very thick accents arguing with people who do not have think accents. It's much easier for people to identify with Israel because so many of the people we are shown from Israel look like a generic "American" or "European".

      •  Yup, (12+ / 0-)

        Israel is in the position of talking occasionally about a 2 state solution, but then doing a whole lot of things to insure that their expansion continues.

        You simply cannot expect to have a rational discussion on occupied territories when you continue to expand on them.

        You may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful wife, and you may ask yourself, "How did I get here?"

        by FrankCornish on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 12:08:57 PM PDT

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    •  I'd also add (9+ / 0-)

      That this diary clearly hints that the defacement of posters is somehow indicative of how Americans see Palestinians acting, even though Americans' opinions of the situation is not based on stupid things like that. It's based on the ongoing pro-Israel propaganda from the government and anti-Palestinian propaganda from the media. Arabs are mean and evil and dark skinned terrorists!

      •  The article indicates that the banner... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... was put up by Pro-Palestinian activists demanding 3G service in the West Bank.  Maybe those that tore down the banner, painted swastikas on it, and then burnt it represent the feelings Palestinians have towards the US and our President?  Occam's Razor anyone?

        Looking through the bent backed tulips, To see how the other half lives, Looking through a glass onion - John Lennon and Paul McCartney

        by Hey338Too on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 12:05:54 PM PDT

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        •  you guys agree (2+ / 0-)
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          note that AoT talks about whether Americans base their opinions off of such events, while you are suggesting that the incident shows how Palestinians feel.  BOth can be simultaneously true (that the incident shows Palenstinian feeling and that Americans are largely ignorant of this)

          Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

          by Mindful Nature on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 12:10:04 PM PDT

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        •  Of course it was torn down by Palestinians (7+ / 0-)

          who hate our government. Go read my comment immediately up thread, I said as much. We give Israel billions of dollars for weapons which they then use to attack Palestine, we are for all intents and purposes an enemy.

          What the diarist implied was that this action, the defacement of a banner, was somehow indicative of why Americans feel the way they do about the situation. That's simply wrong. Americans want to stay out of the situation for numerous reasons. I'd guess our previous failures to help at all are probably a big one.

          •  Yet despite their "hate" for the US and our... (1+ / 0-)
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            ... government we provide them with direct aid (I can see why they'd hate that):

            Proposed Spending Plan for FY 2013 Bilateral Assistance


                                                                                

            Amount

            Purpose

            Economic Support Fund ($370 million total)  
            $150 million Direct Budgetary assistance to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank
            $220 million Assistance for the West Bank and Gaza (through USAID)
            • $22.5 million - governance, rule of law, civil society
            • $88 million - health, education, social services
            • $78.7 million - economic development
            • $30.8 million - humanitarian assistance

            International Narcotics Control and Law Enforcement ($70 million total):

            Training, non-lethal equipment, and garrisoning assistance to the PA security forces in the West Bank, supporting efforts by the US Security Coordinator
            $40.8 million Assistance for PA Ministry of Interior and for the justice sector (prosecutors and criminal investigators) to improve performance, efficiency, and inter-institutional cooperation.
            $29.2 million Rule-of-law infrastructure, including courthouses, police stations, and prisons

            Looking through the bent backed tulips, To see how the other half lives, Looking through a glass onion - John Lennon and Paul McCartney

            by Hey338Too on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 12:58:52 PM PDT

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